View Full Version : Do you consider the music that Kirk Franklin and others perform gospel music?
Now don't get me wronge I love some Kirk, but I am more into traditional gospel because I feel that traditional gospel is rooted in the Church. I feel that Kirk Franklin, Mary Mary, etc. are rooted more in the world and should not be considered gospel music.
What is your opinion?
seductive_tee
10-09-2001, 12:12 PM
I like there music...now that could be because i like the more faster gospel music.
HulaSista
10-09-2001, 12:29 PM
I have never had a problem with Christians going outside of the walls of the church monday - saturday spreading the gospel any which way we have to.....can't knock them for the style of witnessing through music......if it brings one to Christ, then, it serves a purpose.
Tastey
10-09-2001, 12:58 PM
The word gospel means "good news".
If the music is spreading the good news it's gospel.
Music is a collection of notes and I don't see how a collection of notes can be considered secular or gospel. The words are what the ministry comes through...not the notes.
By using a musical style that attracts a different audience the ministry is able to reach more people.
misha
10-09-2001, 01:27 PM
Jesus didn't stand behind a pulpit in a church, he went to where the people were,and he taught at their level...and so does this music.
HulaSista
10-09-2001, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by misha+
Jesus didn't stand behind a pulpit in a church, he went to where the people were,and he taught at their level...and so does this music.
exactly....
and Tastey...you broke it down...i agree with you.....
ThickBodyHottie
10-09-2001, 06:01 PM
yep...the genre you are refering to called "gospel" started out the same way:
folk doubted its sincerity because of its blues-based rhythm
we live, learn and grow...thank GOD!
dns70
10-10-2001, 06:50 AM
then it's gospel. There is a strong contingent of people who feel the same way FAMU does, but I've never understood that line of thinking.
What does a beat or rhythm have to do with the gospel?
OhSoPrecious
10-10-2001, 08:52 AM
You know the old folks can't get with beats & rhythm in today's gospel music~!! :eek: They just don't want to accept it~!! :rolleyes:
Andre98
10-10-2001, 07:20 PM
...or really, on the dove that carries the olive branch on them bills he's been racking up! I just ask one thing of the brother. Stop talking so much. Stop talking all through most of the songs, maaaan! We know you're running things, we aint gonna forget you're there! All that "and the people say, and the choir says..." Okay, I got it!
Hey, don't jump on me, I am just funnin'. Kirk is the man. His music is funky, and as long as it is not like the audio garbage that espousing all the idiotic material things, or gives props to moronic behavior, I say more power to him. The Wynans had that departure from the stictly church service sound years ago, and they took their cue from everybody before them. It's one of the last places left in music where the present respects the path that has been laid for them by the pioneers of the genre. My Mom hipped me to Shirley Ceasar. Man, that is a voice! I am not so sure about all the heavy metal type bands doing Christian music, but I try not to reject something just 'cause its not my cup of tea. Again, it comes down to the words, the lyrics, the message. Too many artists in general take no responsibility for what they say. Snoop Dogg say " don't do drugs"... then play his Cds, WTF? And if I read in the news that Jermaine Dupree or Puffy got jacked, after all that throwing around money in the videos.... aint no tears coming from these eyes... Let's see, have I strayed from the subject far enough?;) :p
ThickBodyHottie
10-10-2001, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Andre98+
[B And if I read in the news that Jermaine Dupree or Puffy got jacked, after all that throwing around money in the videos.... aint no tears coming from these eyes... Let's see, have I strayed from the subject far enough?;) :p [/B]
:D :cry: :D :cry:
please mr. andre...PLEASE...my left side is splitting
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This new type of Gospel music that is being played all across the country on the radio taints the message of the gospel. It makes me a little angry when I am listen to the radio and Donnie Mckluren comes on right after "Feeling on my Booty" or Kirk Franklin comes on right after Snoop Dogg. How can the message be appreciated when it is put into he same catogory as R. Kelly, Snoop Dogg, Jay-Z, etc. DNS, I think it goes back to what you were saying in another post about Carnel Christians. This is the same thing because the music or beat and rythem as you called them are of the world. The beats that are used in some of these songs are not made to make people praise the Lord it is made to make them get up and dance. Now how many people that are up dancing to music are actually thinking about the lyrics to the song? Not very many. How can the sheep hear the voice of the shepard when they can't distinguish his voice from the voice of the world. Yes, the voice sounds a little like the voice of the shepard, but it is sumthing different about that voice. Now don't get me wrong I like Kirk Franklin, Yolonda Adams, etc., but I don't think that there music should be classified as gospel music. What should it be called? I don't know:confused:
Tastey
10-11-2001, 06:42 AM
Originally posted by Mr. Famu+
It makes me a little angry when I am listen to the radio and Donnie Mckluren comes on right after "Feeling on my Booty" or Kirk Franklin comes on right after Snoop Dogg. How can the message be appreciated when it is put into he same catogory as R. Kelly, Snoop Dogg, Jay-Z, etc.
It's not about the category. It's about the ministry.
The Bible says there is rejoicing when even onesinner repents. ONE So if an unsaved person is listening to secular radio (like you do) and they hear a song with a ministry and that ministry touches their heart...it's done what it was intended to do...spread the good news...good news is gospel.
Most unsaved people are not going to just arbitrarily turn on a gospel radio station, or show up at church, or whatever. The people are not coming to the message...the message has to come to the people.
By the way, in case you didn't know. The Bible teaches us that we to praise the Lord with dancing. I don't know about you but it's kind of hard to dance to Amazing Grace. :rolleyes:
que90nek
10-11-2001, 07:40 AM
lol
i think it absolutely wonderful that they play gospel songs in CLUBS!!!
LOL....it cracks me up to see folks reactions...they don't know whether to dance...or to ?????
ThickBodyHottie
10-11-2001, 08:20 AM
mr. famu, you are completely and utterly jaded...the gospel you LOVE so much went through the same ostracizing as you are doing here...because of the beat - as you say.
this is too funny!
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aggie4life
10-11-2001, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by Mr. Famu+
This new type of Gospel music that is being played all across the country on the radio taints the message of the gospel. It makes me a little angry when I am listen to the radio and Donnie Mckluren comes on right after "Feeling on my Booty" or Kirk Franklin comes on right after Snoop Dogg. How can the message be appreciated when it is put into he same catogory as R. Kelly, Snoop Dogg, Jay-Z, etc. :
I agree with Mr. Famu on this one!!
BTW Mr. Famu are you ready for the beating your school is going to get on Saturday??:beating
ThickBodyHottie
10-11-2001, 02:07 PM
that's the program director's fault...not the artist...sheesh!
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Originally posted by Tastey+
By the way, in case you didn't know. The Bible teaches us that we to praise the Lord with dancing. I don't know about you but it's kind of hard to dance to Amazing Grace. :rolleyes:
So I guess when King David dance before the God he was doing the Electric Slide:rolleyes:
I actually have no problem with anybody dancing, singing, and praising the Lord, but I do believe that there needs to be a difference between how the Church praises God and how the World praises God. We both can not praise him the same way.(Matthew 6:24) How is the Church suppose to lead by example when we are acting the same way the world acts?
Tastey, maybe you have not been to a club in a few years, but the way folk dance nowadays it is like having sex on the dance floor. Do u think that God gave us mercy, so that we can grind on the dance floor while Kirk Franklin or Mary Mary is trying to deliver a message from his son Jesus Christ. Que, I know it may be amusing to see people reaction to gospel music being played in the club, but after hearing the song how many people put down there drinks or stop dancing and leave? These songs have tempo beats at 98 and above which is head bopping music or shake your booty music. No TBH it is not the program director fault. The artist and the music company is at fault because the music is focus to be in the same catogory as R&B and Hip-Hop. There record sells are recorded as R&B and not gospel. Shoot, there are even Gansta Gospel Rappers. Anyway, like I say I like the music( love music in general), but I don't think it should be classified as gospel music. Call me old school, but when I think of Gospel Music I think of the William Brothers, The Mighty Clouds of Joy, The Canton Sprituals, etc.
Originally posted by aggie4life
BTW Mr. Famu are you ready for the beating your school is going to get on Saturday??:beating
MORGAN STATE :eek: :eek:
Tastey
10-12-2001, 03:48 AM
Originally posted by Mr. Famu+
So I guess when King David dance before the God he was doing the Electric Slide:rolleyes:
How do YOU know that he wasn't? Guess what? Ya don't know you just assume and try to fit your 20th century imagination to Biblical times. You assume he was shouting and dancing like the Sisters down at the church, but you really have no idea.
In my vivid imagination I can see him doing whatever dance he felt Praised the Lord.
By the way, you are much too young to name artists who are true gospel.
The Mighty Clouds of Joy patterened themselves after :eek:
The Temptations. Their music that you now consider "old time gospel" was criticized for being "too worldy", guitars and drums, Oh my Goodness...and don't let me start on those matching pastel suits.
My Grandmother would not allow those "pimp dressing heathens" (as she called them) to be played in our house.
RTFLOL :D :D
In 20 years your children will be calling Mary Mary "old time gospel" :D
ThickBodyHottie
10-12-2001, 04:08 AM
Originally posted by Tastey+
How do YOU know that he wasn't?
that's the point of them all, ms. tastey...he doesn't...and he knows not what he talks about...;)
que90nek
10-12-2001, 05:40 AM
...this one is too easy.
14KBlaqWmn
11-13-2001, 10:38 AM
The word gospel means "good news" so if in these songs they're trying to spread the good news about Christ, then I would definitely say that it's gospel music.
Thomas Dorsey was criticized way back in the day for his gospel music (wrote and composed Precious Lord Take My Hand and many others), but when you look at some of the songs that he's responsible for, you'll realize that he revolutionized gospel music and helped to get it to where it is today. So what if folks are using creativity in their expression of spreading the Word. What's wrong with that?
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