Burning Gospel CDs

[Admin]

Fam, folks been at Big Worm for the longest to Burn Gospel CD's...Worm see's this as sacrilegious......what's your verdict?

Holla

[Melotic]

If you aren't intending on selling them, some christian artist are all for it... In the 80s, the group Commissioned use to right that on their tapes... Giving someone the word, that wouldn't otherwise hear it...

Other than that, I don't support bootlegging the Gospel... Are you going to give God his tenth...

[zuriyahe]

If big worm is burning the gospel CDs, he is intending on selling them...which is, to me, interesting but understandable...because a worm's gotta do what a worm's gotta do...and I am not offering any judgement against da worm! :D

But my confusion is more towards the "buyer", who I assume is buying the CD because it sounds good and it brings them closer to "God". In that situation, if I was the buyer, I would be thinking of actually purchasing the original CD...so that the person who made the CD can get proper recognition (which tends to lead to them selling more of the CDs), eat and afford to create more gospel CDs. It is just another example of the individual breakdown of our moral system. I mean...stealing the intellectual gospal property...to bring yourself closer to God? It doesn't add up.

[Melotic]

I know...

There nothing worst than a "cheap" Christian, that's my thought...

[Admin]

christians can be broke too!. but yeah Worm feels kinda yukky about selling the 5 he has in stock. He knows that bootlegging anything is a sin and against the law, but something aint right about bootlegging gospel...

Holla

[CLSmooove]

Originally posted by admin
christians can be broke too!. but yeah Worm feels kinda yukky about selling the 5 he has in stock. He knows that bootlegging anything is a sin and against the law, but something aint right about bootlegging gospel...

Holla


Big Worm is worried about sin.... Say it aint so.... ;)


Look like i always say and was taught.....no one sin is greather than another.... If Big Worm feelin bad about doin it then dont.... Pretty simple answer....

[Tastey]

Although bootlegging is illegal I don't see it as sin.

I mean if we want to break it down the "gospel" should be FREE so gospel artist getting PAID can be construed as SIN.

I believe that God expects us to live in the world we are given. Be in the world but not OF the world. By that same token we have to realize that for the price that SOME gospel CD's are there are those who would NEVER heard the word if not from a bootleg CD, or a "cover". Which is what choirs do EVERY Sunday.

We sing another artists song, and make money off of it (the collection) and they don't get a dime.

I say tell WORM to print some Mary Mary, Kirk Franklin, and The Kingdom Come soundtrack and send them to me. :D

[que90nek]

breaking the LAW is a sin.

There ARE copyright laws.

[Melotic]

Those covers choirs do all over the country, can't be recorded without the artist approval... That's one reason I haven't bought a CD my church produced, all the songs I like aren't on them, because they belong to other people...

[Tastey]

Even if the law is WRONG Que...breaking it is a SIN?

So when MLK went to jail to get the laws changed he was sinning???

When you drive over the speed limit you are sinning?

Cmon now. God and man do not have the same lawbook.

The only reason it's illegal is because record companies want us to believe they cannot get paid if people copy CD's.

Mel,
My church service is recorded EVERY sunday, and we sing other artist songs and we sell CD's, tapes, and videos. The artists don't even know we are doing it.

We have our own CD for which we own all the songs and it is copywritten but no other artists songs are on that CD.

However according to the LAW, if I want to sing "Rumors" (Admin's song) even if I don't record it...if I am making money off it then I am obligated according to the law to compensate him.

Choirs that sing other artists songs for service on Sunday morning and make money from collection are not abiding by the law.

Per Que they are sinning.

While we are at 90% of them make copies of the music in the church copy room. That's also illegal according to copywrite laws.

A whole lot of sinning going.

[Admin]

I'll print this out for Worm and have him read it.
Holla

[Melotic]

Tasty...
I guess your church is above the law of man... Y'all bootlegg'in like Wormy Worm...

[Tastey]

Hey I don't work on the technology committe...I'm just saying what goes on in my church and I know in ALOT of other churches.

That's all. :p

[zuriyahe]

Most gospel cannot be free. Why? Because it COST money to make the CD. It cost money to do the Recording...etc etc etc. There is absolutely no difference from how a Gospel CD is made and how a 50 Cent CD is made.

And it IS stealing...it all is stealing (comming from ME, a person that does lots of stealing...from that point of view).

What is being stolen is the "intellectual property" of the maker. The maker has a right to be compensated for the expenses that the maker had to pay to put the song on CD. It is not cheap.

God does not want us to be poor. In fact, he wants us to prosper. How can a Gospel singer prosper if they make Gospel CD's but cannot recoup the expenses? Do gospel performers need to eat too? I say yes. And just because you are doing god's work, it doesn't mean that you have to take a vow of poverty (maybe that is in the bible...can someone check?)

And the 10 commandments is a great test to see if it is stealing. Gospel music along with other music is "intellectual property"...or as Que said: Copywright material. That means that someone created something and usually put up some expense to bring it to the masses. If you take their music and do not give compensation for their "intellectual property" then it is defined as stealing. And is stealing covered in the 10 commandments?

[zuriyahe]

Originally posted by Tastey
Hey I don't work on the technology committe...I'm just saying what goes on in my church and I know in ALOT of other churches.

That's all. :p

A lot of adultry is going on in churches too (maybe not Tastey's church :D )...that does not make it right...

[zuriyahe]

Good points. Tastey...

That's why the subject of the Rapture is sooo very interesting. If it happens...we will all be very surprised at who does not go...

[Melotic]

Originally posted by zuriyahe


A lot of adultry is going on in churches too (maybe not Tastey's church :D )...that does not make it right...

Today's guest Minister is Bishop Magic Don Juan of the Crenshaw Hollywood 2 Step Baptist Church...:p



My church has technology, they got some stuff Big Worm wish he had... They can burn a whole lot of CDs, fast... They don't use it illegally, though...

[que90nek]

Originally posted by zuriyahe
Good points. Tastey...

That's why the subject of the Rapture is sooo very interesting. If it happens...we will all be very surprised at who does not go...

so much to say....so little time....

i'll start here: why are folks always so concerned about where EVERYBODY else gonna end up!...how bout you (general you) focus on YOU!

your examples are unsat, tastey. there ARE unlawful interpretations of the law, and we fight to change those....like MLK....the laws STILL exist as is....with a few amendments that further support them.
yes, speeding is breaking the law. ....:cool:

"render unto caesar..." offerings/tithing done at church is not a payment for the choir to sing....its giving back to God what is already his.

i am not sure of the agreement that churches have with record labels....but if they are actively selling the music of another person they are breaking the law....now if they sing the song....and accept a donation.......for the church......and a cd is given in the process....i think this can be ok....
but yeah...they normally do SELL the cd....as if it is their own music....NOT GOOD.

[Andre98]

If you download and/or burn music at all, Gospel should not give Big Worm any special pause for concern. Besides, he should be used to doing dirt. I said dirt, haha... Get it? Worm? Dirt? *crickets*

[Tastey]

LOL@Dre...

Que that's exactly my point to Worm. Some folks will say "It's OK" to break the law THIS far...but not that FAR. Law breaking is law breaking is law breaking.

MLK did not AGREE with the law, so he said it was wrong.

I don't agree with the law because I don't see it any different that what we used to do in the 70's which is make copies of cassette tapes and sell them our friends for $2 dollars. One guy might have had a BETTER recording system so he sold the most.

It is stealing their intellectual properties to charge money to enter a club and dance to their music? NO the club owner is covering HIS expenses...that's what some will say.

In my opinion making copies of CD's and selling them as COPIES is not stealing from the record companies.

To me true bootlegging is folks who STEAL the finished product and make copies then SELL them as the ORIGINAL product for the full price. Most of that is done by people HIRED by the record company to boost sales and increase popularity.

When I pay the local WORM or BigWorm for a CD I'm paying him for the time he took to download and copy the music, the cost of the CD's and the labels.

He hasn't STOLEN anything.

Churches used to only sing hymns. Most of which are no longer under copywrite laws. My churches CD contains 2 hymns that have been re-arranged so that they could LEGALLY record and sell them.

But when gospel artists begun to be popular and actually sell records choirs began singing other artists material which is essense is ILLEGAL.

American Idol had to pay a FEE for every song a contestant chose to sang. And if they didn't....they would be getting SUED right about now.

Jlo is being sued for her song with LL because she didn't get permission to use it. That's stealing a person's intellectual property because she REFUSES to give credit to the original author.

Bigworm does not do that. He tells you up front. This is a COPY of the original artists work.

[que90nek]

i got two words for u...

COPYRIGHTS.

under your system....musicians would RARELY make money because a COMPANY could just buy one cd....mass produce it....and then sell it....all the while letting the consumer know

"this is a copy"

[Admin]

Originally posted by Melotic
My church has technology, they got some stuff Big Worm wish he had... They can burn a whole lot of CDs, fast... They don't use it illegally, though...

Nigga! you ain't really seen Big Worms Lab...now have ya??

It's thicker than Tastey's Ass Cheeks (she know she got Junk in her trunk :D ) and would probably make you cum on yo self.

Shyyyyyyyyt, bring ya pastor over to peep the lab...nigga would probably just hire worm to do the mass duplication...oh and with the 24hour turn around...Big Boi!!!

Oh, you want lables on ya CDs?? No problem...got you covered there as well playah....just ask anyone who was at Hushnic 2002...how Big Worm sponsored the event?

Hmmmmmmmm

Holla:D

PS: When Big Worm comes strong...the nigga comes strrrrrrrong!


:eek: ;) :beer

[Tastey]

How did this get to be MY system??? LOL

Who said a musician HAD to make so much money. LOL

I understand your LOGIC Que, and I'm well aware of copyright laws and the REASON behind them.

I understand it's illegal and why it's illegal.

But I still don't think it's STEALING or it's SIN.

If there were no copywrite laws then musicians would not get paid as much. SO?????

I mean Kirk Franklin is rolling in millions for an afternoon of recording while Big Worm is living is a comfy house in Cali. But it's SIN for Big Worm to make a copy of Kirk's music and sell it to someone so that he can put some new tires on the Ac?

Cmon now dude. You are reaching. lol

Laws are supposed to protect victims. And yes I agree Kirk needs protection from a major company selling his music and making millions while he lives in poverty.

But that same law applying to Big Worm is bogus because how can someone who is making a fraction of what you are making victimize you???

The money made a street bootlegging even if all of it is ADDED up together would not amount to 1% of Kirk's record sales.

Because the fact is most people who buy from someone like Worm do so because they can't AFFORD the real thing.

I see Worm's business as generic music. Like buying off-brand shoes, or groceries.

How come THAT's not illegal???

[Tastey]

Originally posted by admin


It's thicker than Tastey's Ass Cheeks (she know she got Junk in her trunk :D )
Holla:D

:eek: ;) :beer

See now I know I'm HOME. LOL :p

I'm feeling all misty over here. :cry:

[zuriyahe]

Originally posted by que90nek


so much to say....so little time....

i'll start here: why are folks always so concerned about where EVERYBODY else gonna end up!...how bout you (general you) focus on YOU!



Focusing on this statement.....

Generally, I enjoy looking at the issue of morality through those who claim to know what morality is...and those who understand the consequences of not following said moral values. I also like to take long looks at hyprocracy...whether my own or others.

I think that it is dangerous to do the..."Don't worry about me...worry about you" belief...especially if you claim to be a strong christian... because usually...my point is...whether we sin or not...someone is looking and learning from YOU (general you). Before you know it...we will have a moral implosion within the church, our home and within our community. Someone has to stand up and make the point...and they do not have to be a so called "card carrying christian" to do it.

If we have a church that "Steals"...then the church is giving off two conflicting signals....which is a excellent recipe for a moral implosion. I mean, if that isn't a perfect case of dichotomy...what is? Of course, in this case, the difference could be that some may not actually know that they are stealing (intellectual property). But then again, we know that it MUST be stealing, becaue you never see public advertisement for "copied CDs, Movies etc".

[zuriyahe]

Originally posted by Tastey

I don't agree with the law because I don't see it any different that what we used to do in the 70's which is make copies of cassette tapes and sell them our friends for $2 dollars. One guy might have had a BETTER recording system so he sold the most.

It is stealing their intellectual properties to charge money to enter a club and dance to their music? NO the club owner is covering HIS expenses...that's what some will say.

In my opinion making copies of CD's and selling them as COPIES is not stealing from the record companies.

To me true bootlegging is folks who STEAL the finished product and make copies then SELL them as the ORIGINAL product for the full price. Most of that is done by people HIRED by the record company to boost sales and increase popularity.

When I pay the local WORM or BigWorm for a CD I'm paying him for the time he took to download and copy the music, the cost of the CD's and the labels.

He hasn't STOLEN anything.



So Tastey...if you write a book. And give it to me. And I copy it and put your name on it...and sell it and write on it "This is a copy" and sell it a 2 bucks a pop...Are you getting paid? Well, I am. I got paid...and you did all of the work. Thanks!

So should you get paid for your hard work? You wrote the book (it took you 2 years to do it)...and got it published (took you a year to do that)...and printed...and distributed...should you receive compensation for your creation?

If people are buying my copy of your book...will they buy your copy? Usually no. If your origional copy does not sell...will the publisher want to publish your next book?

[zuriyahe]

Originally posted by admin


Nigga! you ain't really seen Big Worms Lab...now have ya??

It's thicker than Tastey's Ass Cheeks (she know she got Junk in her trunk :D ) and would probably make you cum on yo self.

:eek: ;) :beer

Stealing shmealing!

I wanna see Big Worm's Lab....

...and TASTEY'S ass!

[Tastey]

Originally posted by zuriyahe


So Tastey...if you write a book. And give it to me. And I copy it and put your name on it...and sell it and write on it "This is a copy" and sell it a 2 bucks a pop...Are you getting paid? Well, I am. I got paid...and you did all of the work. Thanks!

So should you get paid for your hard work? You wrote the book (it took you 2 years to do it)...and got it published (took you a year to do that)...and printed...and distributed...should you receive compensation for your creation?

If people are buying my copy of your book...will they buy your copy? Usually no. If your origional copy does not sell...will the publisher want to publish your next book?

That's basically the same as Que's analogy. If I've already sold 3 million copies of my book and you are THEN selling copies then we BOTH are getting paid. I'm just making more money than you are and personally I don't have a problem with that.

Have you ever bought a USED book. The publishers gets no money from books resold at garage sales. Trust. lol

I'm not saying that the artists does not need or deserve compensation. But we are talking about WORM...lol He is not threatening the record companies or the artists livelihood.

Again, a law should be made to PROTECT the victim. In this case Worm is not victimizing anybody so there is no need for a law.

[Melotic]

Originally posted by admin


Nigga! you ain't really seen Big Worms Lab...now have ya??

It's thicker than Tastey's Ass Cheeks (she know she got Junk in her trunk :D ) and would probably make you cum on yo self.

Shyyyyyyyyt, bring ya pastor over to peep the lab...nigga would probably just hire worm to do the mass duplication...oh and with the 24hour turn around...Big Boi!!!

Oh, you want lables on ya CDs?? No problem...got you covered there as well playah....just ask anyone who was at Hushnic 2002...how Big Worm sponsored the event?

Hmmmmmmmm

Holla:D

PS: When Big Worm comes strong...the nigga comes strrrrrrrong!


:eek: ;) :beer

No...;)
Worm must be rockin it like Death Row or Bad Boy, then...

I wasn't trying to belittle Worm's skills or quality, I know he's laying some serious crafts in his work... But, am sure there is shit he would like to have in the techna~media arena, that he don't have...

We have sound recording studio & production ability... Dove award type representation...

[Melotic]

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[que90nek]

Originally posted by zuriyahe


Focusing on this statement.....

Generally, I enjoy looking at the issue of morality through those who claim to know what morality is...and those who understand the consequences of not following said moral values. I also like to take long looks at hyprocracy...whether my own or others.

I think that it is dangerous to do the..."Don't worry about me...worry about you" belief...especially if you claim to be a strong christian... because usually...my point is...whether we sin or not...someone is looking and learning from YOU (general you). Before you know it...we will have a moral implosion within the church, our home and within our community. Someone has to stand up and make the point...and they do not have to be a so called "card carrying christian" to do it.

If we have a church that "Steals"...then the church is giving off two conflicting signals....which is a excellent recipe for a moral implosion. I mean, if that isn't a perfect case of dichotomy...what is? Of course, in this case, the difference could be that some may not actually know that they are stealing (intellectual property). But then again, we know that it MUST be stealing, becaue you never see public advertisement for "copied CDs, Movies etc".

indeed.

i do agree that your light should shine as brightly as possible, but you (general you ;) ) must understand that there is but ONE example to be followed....but ONE prescription for spiritual success!...the moment you try to make any ONE....any THING ...that example...is the moment you are doomed.

JESUS is the answer my friend (you, zuri...you.). His example is clearly outlined in the Bible...complete with case scenarios that you can abstract and apply to today! :beer

tastey...understand that for every one person that sells enough books or cd's to live an AVERAGE life.....there are 100 that didnt even get published....there 100 that are living well below average. what happens ultimately is the price of their legitimate product goes up. your example of stealing from the rich....or taking crumbs from their extravagant table....is understood....though. :D

[mack_black]

This is Excellent.....

I never thought that the Tech Section could have such passionate conversation :D :cool: