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Andre98
02-24-2003, 01:16 PM
I was in a new convenience store that opened up in our town on a long neglected corner just this past Saturday. I discovered at around the holidays, and the added bonus is, it has a license to sell beer and hard liquor, with the 7-11s and average convenience stores in New Jersey do not have. So now, I'm in there getting what not for whatever, I'm the only customer. A woman was leaving as I was coming in, and had actually said to the woman behind the counter, "are you here alone, girl, ohhh it's spooky!" I am not sure what the counter person replied. I got a couple items and came to the counter to pay. In walks two rail thin young brothers, decked out in the full regalia that strikes fear in the hearts of citizens. I don't know about cornrows, but the do-rags, two layer hooded sweatshirts, Tims, etc... were all in place.

Okay, I am not going to pre-judge, I tell myself, but this is a 7-11 type set up, and most people would drive up in a car. No car is outside, at least not visible from the windows except mine. The houses in walking distance stink of money, no way these brothers live around any corner. Yeah, they could, but my radar is sounding in my head, and it comes from more than just knee jerk profiling. They are looking around, scanning the store. I can see there is a third man outside. "So what you gettin' man?" "I don't know...supthin'" They say to each other. They kind of start off in opposite directions from the door, but their paths were crossing, so they bumped slightly into each other clumsily, and then one heads for the back of the store, the other stops after a couple steps turns back around, and opens the front door again, and goes out just as the third dude, looking like his twin, comes in. The man that just went out stands directly in front of the door looking left and right, left and right again. You would have to excuse yourself to get past him if you were coming or going. I am not staring, just catching this in the window reflection, as the east indian woman, working alone, is bagging my stuff, (and not nearly fast enough!) and giving me change. Her smiling expression was fading slightly, but bless her heart, she did not seem as alarmed as I did. I didn't get eye contact with her, and I had some eyebrow movements to throw her way if I did.

Now, I am no hero, but I did suspect that if any shit is about to go down, and that actually starts to get me a little angry. They are either planning to have me be part of it as a victim, or waiting for me to leave. I was worried about the girl, but my first worry was wifey out in the car. If they needed a car to bolt in, she is a sitting duck. Keep in mind, i was born and raised in the 'hood...West Philly was no joke. Been around black folk all my life. This was not a ghetto fabulous trio. I could see a hardness in their eyes, in their faces. The one that had gone to the back of the store came back up the aisle and walked behind me. You know how someone passes behind you, from the left to right, you aren't trying to watch them, but you expect them to continue on out on past on the other side? Homie stopped dead behind me, and the way the shelving of the aisle came out, he was right behind me, less than a body's width of space between us. Especially with black men, that's hella close to be up on somebody!

Any second now, I expected a whomp on the head, or feel the cold steel of a barrel pressed to my neck. I said to myself, what the hell, at least I'm going to see it coming, and stepped to the side, at a 90 degree angle to the man, and looked him dead in the face, ready to say, "hey, how's it going", or "what's up" or something, as soon as I get eye contact. He gave me a split second look, but before I could say anything, he looked down at the floor and spun around, heading back up the aisle, to the back of the store again. So Homie1 is in the back, homie 2 at the door on the inside, homie3 outside at the door.

I walked to the door calmly as though nothing was happening, because in truth, nothing had happened at that point. I knew the moment of truth was would they let me out the door or not. No prob, the inside and outside dude steps aside, just enough. I got in the car, and wifey said, she thought she would hear gunshots any second when she saw that group ago in. They had come walking up. I got in and took off, and we debated about whether this is something that justifies calling the cops. I thought what ever may be happening will be done by the time any cops get there, and when i said maybe we should circle back , wifey said " not with me in the car!" She's right. I would feel bad if i read anything about a robbery and/or that clerk/owner being hurt, but wouldn't be able to forgive myself if anything happened to my wife. A robbery in a NJ small town would not make any big splash in the papers, and certainly not the NYC based news unless death was involved, so I'll take no news as good news. I actually have yet to check the Monday Record to see if there is any mention.

Now, was I wrong to be so suspicious? Or is there, in this case just cause to be reasonably concerned?

mystkev
02-24-2003, 01:24 PM
I do not think you were wrong for being suspicious, they were acting suspiciously.

You should have left your wife around the corner if she didn't want to go back, but I could not have just left that woman there by herself like that.

I hope she had a gun or something behind the counter. No one should be working all by themselves at any time of day.

swtjamaica
02-24-2003, 02:37 PM
...you were wrong dre...if one acts suspiciously, they are allowing themselves to be pre judged...and i hope nothing happened to that lady in the store, and i'm glad you and wifey are okay too...

sistuhchey
02-24-2003, 04:44 PM
Sad to say...society is so phucked...you can't help but pre-judge!

They came up walking???..affluent neighborhood..maybe a rap star lives close by...and they're part of the crew??

Or maybe they we're up to no good....I always follow my gut...better safe than sorry.....

Brightness
02-24-2003, 05:39 PM
roflmao @ this. . .


Originally posted by sistuhchey+
They came up walking???..affluent neighborhood..maybe a rap star lives close by...and they're part of the crew??

Or maybe they we're up to no good....I always follow my gut...better safe than sorry.....

Brightness
02-24-2003, 05:45 PM
I don't think it was wrong but being the nosy person that I am. . .I would have circled around or went a distance away where I was undetected and peek the scene with my cell phone on ready.

I wouldn't put myself or loved one at risk but I would feel some sense of human obligation to see that the lady was tended to in the event that something did go down. . . . that's just my nature, I've been about to get in fights with men over my friends being in danger so I know if I had a gut feeling I would hanker down and do what I had to do. . .my conscience might bother me otherwise.

HulaSista
02-25-2003, 11:44 AM
andre, my mom do what you do every day... don't even trip...

zuriyahe
02-25-2003, 12:15 PM
So....do criminals look/dress like rap stars or do rap stars dress like criminals.

People gotta learn how to act when they are in public...DON'T LOOK LIKE A CRIMINAL and you might not be treated like a criminal...

I would have been nervous as well.

You did the right thing to look them in the eye and speak. When you do that, it sometimes works to show them that you are "aware". This is a good thing to do when you can.

I do think that it is awesome that you were thinking about your wife and your wife was thinking about you. What a great show of unity!

I am also in agreement with Bright with what I would do. I would have gotten in my car and circled with cell phone in hand...in fact, if the threat looks really real, then I would consider making a call to the police...just in case. Sometimes we humans are more concerned about hurting a persons feelings than protecting another persons life. I tend to think....what would I want to do if that was my sister/mom/daughter?

Those are the kind of things that "keeblers" would do in their neighborhood...and that is why their neighborhood tends to not be easy pickens for a robber.

HulaSista
02-25-2003, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by zuriyahe+
You did the right thing to look them in the eye and speak. When you do that, it sometimes works to show them that you are "aware". This is a good thing to do when you can

i agree... i have found that in order to overcome fears you have to look them (the fear) straight in the eye... and i do this myself...

as a woman i have gone through this even when "questionable" men try to holla and get the digits.... to keep from telling a story... i'll just say, it works extremely well...

que90nek
02-25-2003, 01:06 PM
so NOW it's ok to pre-judge? :confused:

mystkev
02-25-2003, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by que90nek+
so NOW it's ok to pre-judge? :confused: You know good n well your situation was different. These guys were acting strange, your guy was just walking down the street.

que90nek
02-25-2003, 01:20 PM
so its ok to pre-judge based on ACTION....not looks?

zuriyahe
02-25-2003, 01:26 PM
The people in the 7-11 were showing that they may be ready to start some trouble. A person walking down the street does not show that they are doing anything bad.

It did not appear that Andre was making a comment on whether he was better than them...he was looking at them and wondering if they are going to start trouble!

zuriyahe
02-25-2003, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by HulaSista+


i agree... i have found that in order to overcome fears you have to look them (the fear) straight in the eye... and i do this myself...

as a woman i have gone through this even when "questionable" men try to holla and get the digits.... to keep from telling a story... i'll just say, it works extremely well...

Yes, and I have been told that women should look people in the face more....

It looks like it works!

que90nek
02-25-2003, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by zuriyahe+
It did not appear that Andre was making a comment on whether he was better than them...he was looking at them and wondering if they are going to start trouble!

who thought they were better?

according to the hush it is ok to pre-judge a person based on their actions.....and not their looks.....

an interesting thing.

Brightness
02-25-2003, 06:02 PM
They'd have been dialing 9-1-1 as the unsavory group was walking down the street. . .


Originally posted by zuriyahe+
Those are the kind of things that "keeblers" would do in their neighborhood...and that is why their neighborhood tends to not be easy pickens for a robber.

sistuhchey
02-25-2003, 06:29 PM
...it's not necessary a bad thing!!!...as I said better safe than sorry.....

being cautious and alert is not a crime!!!...

whether theyre white,hispanics,asian, blue or black...if it don't feel just right....I'm checking and judging!!! :eek:

CD
02-26-2003, 05:14 AM
That was your survival mechanism kicking in. Your rader pops on when the situation dictates.