He/She...is Muslim you're Baptist!!! [Archive]

sistuhchey

03-21-2002, 07:50 AM

the relationship is going great, marriage is in the air??? a very promising future...no kids, no baby momma/daddy drama...great job, finacially secure...educated..working on his/her masters.....

Different faiths!!!!....your spirituality means everything, you've been raised this way your entire life....He/She wants to be equally yoked....(family all one faith)....What do you do???? So far this is the only stumbling block....

Call it quits???...Spiritual happiness and pleasing God more important???...what would you do???????:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

mystkev

03-21-2002, 07:56 AM

that's really hard b/c the Muslim faith, as with any, is so detailed. I would first learn about the religion and decide if it's right for me. I can tell you that I could not be Muslim. The best thing to do would be to pray about it. I wonder why wasn't religion an issue before? If the two could get that far, there has got to be some way to work it out.

que90nek

03-21-2002, 08:06 AM

this is real life for somebody i knew :rolleyes:

mystkev

03-21-2002, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by que90nek+
this is real life for somebody i knew :rolleyes: What did they end up doing?

Tastey

03-21-2002, 08:13 AM

To me organized religion is secondary to what a person believes.

I mean that alot of denominations and religions have the same core beliefs just different doctrines.

If we were say Methodist and Episcopalian or Baptist and Holiness. We have the same core beliefs.

However if someone believes that Jesus was not the son of God...then we have a problem. I agree with Myst in that I don't see how they got that far before realizing.

My neice's boyfriend is a non-practicing Muslim, and I often wonder why she continues knowing that they differ so greatly. When she had thier daughter baptised she lied to him about it. :(

I don't think it could be me.

que90nek

03-21-2002, 08:13 AM

it was somebody on this board...so i betta just shut up. at least unless they wanna share.

que90nek

03-21-2002, 08:14 AM

unequally yoked is a serious thing........

lovely

03-21-2002, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by que90nek+
unequally yoked is a serious thing........

I agree with you que.

My faith in Christ is one of the first things i discuss with anyone i am remotely interested in. You dont share it...than it doesnt go any further than friends. I attempted a relationship where he aint care anything about God...and i couldnt take it. Wont do it again.:rolleyes:

sistuhchey

03-21-2002, 08:25 AM

for this is happening to a close friend of mine......And my advice may not be the best......do you follow your heart...love of your life or the Love of God???...she's stressing about being obedient....and just to really, really blow you away...she's a VIRGIN!!!..and she's ready for kids..... I have so much respect for this young beautiful sistuh..And I don't want to give her a flipit kinda "CHEY" response.........HELP!!!!

que90nek

03-21-2002, 08:35 AM

i don't know if they will share because they are not really on the hush too much anymore....but used to be a superstar....

anyhooo

if religion is so important to this young lady....she must understand that the basis of any family is God as the Head. Her salvation is key too...JESUS as the center of her JOY (i love that song)....

it will be tough for her to walk away...but she must pray about it...perhaps they should pray together...(oops...they can't!)

lovely

03-21-2002, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by que90nek+
perhaps they should pray together...(oops...they can't!)

LOL..you crazy que..crazy:hammer

MsMeelah

03-21-2002, 09:12 AM

I don't think I could get that far in a relationship without knowing about a persons religious beliefs or practices were. So if thier faith was something that I could not deal with, I would have left him before there was even a relationship.
I have a friend that is going through this same thing, She thought she could change him.. She used to say " God is gonna deliver him from that mess" (whatever)

que90nek

03-21-2002, 09:17 AM

it normally happens the other way around......

nubianx2

03-21-2002, 09:34 AM

I have a very close friend that is in a like situation, he's muslim, she's a Christian. The difference here is that she was raised Muslim and has a knowledge and understanding of the religion. They have discussed this at length and have agreed on a happy medium. They are still together and engaged to be married next year.

D2daO2da

03-21-2002, 11:05 AM

Hmm,

When my brother got married he was a Muslim. His wife is Christian. They had two weddings, one muslim and one christian. Since then (12 years) Both of them are christian.

When they got married they both respected eachothers religion and allowed themselves to participate individually. It's interesting to not fellowship together but one brick don't stop the house from being built. He recently joined a church and she didn't want to go, so he left her and took the kids. Well if you can't beat them join them.. She a member now.. lol

D

swtjamaica

03-22-2002, 11:08 AM

..was of the Episcopalian(sp) denomination, and the man she married is Muslim...she converted to Islam, and seems to be very happy...but my issue, being a Christian, would be the fact that Muslims don't believe Jesus to be the true messiah, they believe that he was just a prophet...Chey, i would advise your friend to really pary and speak to a TRUSTED minister or clergyman for counsel....this is a very hard decision to make...if they follow through and get married, RESPECT of each other's faiths will have to be one of the most prominent parts of their relationship....

sistuhchey

03-22-2002, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by swtjamaica+
[BTRUSTED minister or clergyman for counsel....this is a very hard decision to make...if they follow through and get married, RESPECT of each other's faiths will have to be one of the most prominent parts of their relationship.... [/B]

yep...it is...I too suggested clergyman..she's speaking with a minister this weekend, and they've been going to bible study...
once a week...I think he'll submit

My hats off to the brotha for hanging in over a year!! ....Normally I don't believe about the no sex thing... But in their case..I believe her!!!.....(her face is a lil pimply)....they're a very attractive couple, and she wants a baby so bad..plus she's made jokes about no reception...straight to the honeymoon!!! :beating :beating :beating

Thanks for your input!!!....I'll keep you updated
:)

que90nek

03-22-2002, 02:44 PM

it IS amazing what holding out sex will make a brother do...that man is bout ready to change his entire religion for her! lol

sistuhchey

03-25-2002, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by que90nek+
it IS amazing what holding out sex will make a brother do...that man is bout ready to change his entire religion for her! lol

Makes a sistuh wonder!!!!...giving up the nookie is over-rated!!..they say you can't miss what you neva had!!!:eek: :eek:

lightandlovely1

03-29-2002, 06:25 PM

I am a Christian and I understand enough about other faiths to know that I would never marry someone who wasn't a Christain. I've known men that I liked who were 'humanists,' athiests, muslims, etc. and I don't date them because of this (and I do ask about your spirituality very early on).

If, on the other hand, I managed to get in deep water and found myself really feelin someone, I would pray about it but for me, bottom line is that pleasing God is waaaaaaaaaay more important.

lightandlovely1

03-29-2002, 06:36 PM

Tastey

10-01-2003, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by sistuhchey

yep...it is...I too suggested clergyman..she's speaking with a minister this weekend, and they've been going to bible study...
once a week...I think he'll submit

My hats off to the brotha for hanging in over a year!! ....Normally I don't believe about the no sex thing... But in their case..I believe her!!!.....(her face is a lil pimply)....they're a very attractive couple, and she wants a baby so bad..plus she's made jokes about no reception...straight to the honeymoon!!! :beating :beating :beating

Thanks for your input!!!....I'll keep you updated
:)

Chey if you don't mind me asking. What eventually happened with this couple?

sistuhchey

10-01-2003, 09:12 PM

Sad to say...it didn't work...he atually married someone...this past August.....because...you wonder huh????

and she's still in search of an equally yoked brotha...it took here a while to get over him....If ya'll remember....this is the same sistuh...that i wanted to tell I saw her ex...and he was engaged???

I believe finding out he's married...took a bite at her.....but she's now in another relationship...and this Negro...don't even walk by the church.......(same issuses)

babyg

10-01-2003, 09:38 PM

i know imma get a lot of flack over this but anyway.....

IMO.....your differences in faith shouldnt even matter if you love each other....you should respect each others religions.....why do christians feel the urgent need to only deal with other christians?? you could miss out on your blessing from that way of thinking.....not everyone believes in the same things nor have the same way of thinking......so why should differences in religion be any different? you could have two separate religions and still build a solid family structure.......

makes no sense to me.....

Andre98

10-01-2003, 09:41 PM

But modify it.

Stand back to back in a open field...
Each of them take 1,000 steps...
by that time they should have caught on that they are too far aprat to be together, and to keep walking.

HulaSista

10-01-2003, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by babyg
i know imma get a lot of flack over this but anyway...
IMO.....your differences in faith shouldnt even matter if you love each other....you should respect each others religions.....why do christians feel the urgent need to only deal with other christians?? you could miss out on your blessing from that way of thinking.....not everyone believes in the same things nor have the same way of thinking......so why should differences in religion be any different? you could have two separate religions and still build a solid family structure....makes no sense to me.....

*sigh* i once thought like you... mmm hmmm... got some battle scars to prove that it did no good and made no difference. and i had a man tell me this same as what you posted just yesterday, a christian man at that. and i'll tell you what i told him -

(and please be patience with me while i work on my tact and ability to state what i feel without cussing you out...)

you think which ever way you choose. nothing is missed behind your way of thinking or what you think christians should be doing. no blessings lost at all. i'm sorta tired of MISSING and LOOSING blessings, personally, and giving up this way of thinking has helped me recoup them in other ways, thank you very much. :)

now if you really want to stand corrected - take your statement, change the word 'christian' to orthodox and unorthodox muslims and make the same statment to a muslim. see what anwser they give you :upto:

i'm just curious why christians are accused of doing exactly what other religions do. stand up for our beliefs because that is what our beliefs require us to do. hmmm :confused:

see! no flack! :eek:

babyg

10-02-2003, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by HulaSista

*sigh* i once thought like you... mmm hmmm... got some battle scars to prove that it did no good and made no difference. and i had a man tell me this same as what you posted just yesterday, a christian man at that. and i'll tell you what i told him -

(and please be patience with me while i work on my tact and ability to state what i feel without cussing you out...)

you think which ever way you choose. nothing is missed behind your way of thinking or what you think christians should be doing. no blessings lost at all. i'm sorta tired of MISSING and LOOSING blessings, personally, and giving up this way of thinking has helped me recoup them in other ways, thank you very much. :)

now if you really want to stand corrected - take your statement, change the word 'christian' to orthodox and unorthodox muslims and make the same statment to a muslim. see what anwser they give you :upto:

i'm just curious why christians are accused of doing exactly what other religions do. stand up for our beliefs because that is what our beliefs require us to do. hmmm :confused:

see! no flack! :eek:

cuss me out for my own opinion?? hmmmm......thats very interesting.....i only use christians as an example because thats where i see the majority of this kind of thinking......it wasnt a personal attack on christians or the christian religion......and no, im not changing my statement......

babyg

10-02-2003, 04:24 AM

p.s. this doesnt have anything to do with what I think christians should be doing.....i already know you all stand by what you believe.......

Tastey

10-02-2003, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by babyg
i know imma get a lot of flack over this but anyway.....

IMO.....your differences in faith shouldnt even matter if you love each other....you should respect each others religions.....why do christians feel the urgent need to only deal with other christians?? you could miss out on your blessing from that way of thinking.....not everyone believes in the same things nor have the same way of thinking......so why should differences in religion be any different? you could have two separate religions and still build a solid family structure.......

makes no sense to me.....

I can respect what anyone chooses to believe. But either I will influence them, or they will influence me. There's no two ways about it.

If I have convictions in what I believe and they do also. There are going to be problems. It's not as simple as respect.

The reason Christians feel a need to associate with other Christians is because that's what we are supposed to do.

That's not saying a non Christian is less than I am, but we don't hold the same things valuable in life.

To quote a line from Steel Magnolias

"I don't want to spend the next 30 or 40 years with someone I'm not gonna run into in the here after."

My personal belief is that if you are not saved by Jesus Christ you are going to hell.

Of course I realize every religion doesn't believe that and could very well say I'm wrong.

However, since I believe that, and I believe it with all my heart. How could I honest love someone and not care if they go to hell or not.

I'm sorry but I can't.

HulaSista

10-02-2003, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by babyg
cuss me out for my own opinion?? hmmmm......thats very interesting.....i only use christians as an example because thats where i see the majority of this kind of thinking......it wasnt a personal attack on christians or the christian religion......and no, im not changing my statement......

p.s. this doesnt have anything to do with what I think christians should be doing.....i already know you all stand by what you believe.......

hmmmmmmmmm ...

babyg

10-02-2003, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by HulaSista

don't back peddle NOW!

read that again....did i NOT say i wasnt gonna change my statemtent??

i dont back peddle honbun......

HulaSista

10-02-2003, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by babyg

read that again....did i NOT say i wasnt gonna change my statemtent??

i dont back peddle honbun......

SNAPS... i edited my comment too late... oh well... i'll stand by my original comment...

i still say 'hmmmmmmmmm'... and make my mental notes...

please DO NOT change your statements. these posts helps me get to know how you talk and relate.

10-02-2003, 07:03 AM

Means a lot more than just being the same religion.

Someone else mentioned that on the board.

sistuhchey

10-04-2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Tastey

To quote a line from Steel Magnolias

"I don't want to spend the next 30 or 40 years with someone I'm not gonna run into in the here after."

My personal belief is that if you are not saved by Jesus Christ you are going to hell.

Of course I realize every religion doesn't believe that and could very well say I'm wrong.

However, since I believe that, and I believe it with all my heart. How could I honest love someone and not care if they go to hell or not.
I'm sorry but I can't.

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interesting.......I guess in the grand scheme of things, you gotta do what is right for you....or what one feels is right....
(hypotheically speaking)
fast forward....friend gets married...he worships, the way she wants...she's happy he appears to be happy.....prasie God....
Monday- Sunday...bible toting, choir,deacon board,sunday school ...all worship services....shouting and crying....

at home good daddy, good provider,.......but...a staright up hoe!!...oh damn!!...........Taste, I guess you kiss that hearafter bye-bye!!!

........My friend has said the same words you've said.....and I'm amazed.....at how many sistuhs...feel this way...I'm just wondering...when was the last time.....any brotha has rejcted a sistuh because he cared about her salvation.:eek:

Tastey

10-04-2003, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by sistuhchey

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interesting.......I guess in the grand scheme of things, you gotta do what is right for you....or what one feels is right....
(hypotheically speaking)
fast forward....friend gets married...he worships, the way she wants...she's happy he appears to be happy.....prasie God....
Monday- Sunday...bible toting, choir,deacon board,sunday school ...all worship services....shouting and crying....

at home good daddy, good provider,.......but...a staright up hoe!!...oh damn!!...........Taste, I guess you kiss that hearafter bye-bye!!!

........My friend has said the same words you've said.....and I'm amazed.....at how many sistuhs...feel this way...I'm just wondering...when was the last time.....any brotha has rejcted a sistuh because he cared about her salvation.:eek:

There's a big difference in someone who is trying to live right and makes mistakes, and someone who does not care or believe or choose to live right.

We all are sinners and will sin. But WILLFULLY practicing sin is a different thing.

That is where so many will be lost. They are too busy trying to find the flaw in the Christians in order to justify thier own actions rather than allowing that to be God's job.

There is no such thing as a perfect person and anyone who is looking for that or seeking that is going to be severely disappointed.

Because Chey thinks a man is a hoe does not mean that God will keep him from the hereafter. Look at your Biblical figures. None of then were PERFECT creatures. What matters is that mans relationship with God. And that's not something that can be judged by me or you.

The Biblical figures shared a love of and loyalty to God, no matter what.

Instead of trying to be good they were obedient.

There's a big difference in those as well.

I know plenty of brothers who reject a woman because of her salvation. Read the thread Christian brother. There were men who stated they wanted a saved woman or she could not be with them.

HulaSista

10-04-2003, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by Tastey
Because Chey thinks a man is a hoe does not mean that God will keep him from the hereafter. Look at your Biblical figures. None of then were PERFECT creatures. What matters is that mans relationship with God. And that's not something that can be judged by me or you.

The Biblical figures shared a love of and loyalty to God, no matter what.

Instead of trying to be good they were obedient.

yeah... look at soloman... talk about polygamy :eek: ... and just think, someone had to pass laws saying a man cannot have more than one wife to keep a man's greedy nature in check (lol lol lol)...

(excerpt from an email i recieved)

There is no past too troubled and no person that God can't redeem.

He took a murderer named Moses and made him a prophet.

He took a pimp named Abram and made him the father of many nations.(If you wonder why I call him that, go back to Genesis and see how many times he sold his wife off for possession because he was afraid of being killed.)

He took a liar and cheat named Jacob and made him a prince named Israel and blessed his seed...

He took a prostitute named Rahad, called her blessed and changed her profession!

He took a Christian hater named Saul and made him a great apostle,Paul.

sistuhchey

10-05-2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by HulaSista

There is no past too troubled and no person that God can't redeem.

He took a murderer named Moses and made him a prophet.

He took a pimp named Abram and made him the father of many nations.(If you wonder why I call him that, go back to Genesis and see how many times he sold his wife off for possession because he was afraid of being killed.)

He took a liar and cheat named Jacob and made him a prince named Israel and blessed his seed...

He took a prostitute named Rahad, called her blessed and changed her profession!

He took a Christian hater named Saul and made him a great apostle,Paul.
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......Tastey...give me a break!!!... Negros praise God DAILY...and sinning non-stop...just as soon as they step out of their Sunday clothes.......and I for one...do not try to find the "FLAW"..in christians...for I KNOW man is FLAWED....I'm just tired of those that speak of being a Christian...but their actions...reflect a different lifestyle...

If you know the message board where the christians chat...I'd love to visit and observe:eek:

HulaSista

10-05-2003, 03:30 PM

christian message boards? leftbehind.com ... lol... you'll get a kick out of it!

egros praise God DAILY...and sinning non-stop...just as soon as they step out of their Sunday clothes......

you know there's a song for this! lol 2 of them! lol

Brightness

10-05-2003, 05:13 PM

You've assessed this one quite well. . .and this may be the reason some people find themselves without someone. . .their lives don't match up with the words that are coming out of their mouths and the illusion they are living.

It's a lot of "dissolutioned Christians" that are continuing to commit PRE-MEDITATED sins and feel that they are in the 'free-n-clear' because they can ask for repeatedly ask forgiveness later. . . .they weren't paying attention too well, in my opinion.

This makes a mockery of God's mercy and as the saying goes. . .he knows one's heart and while you may fool the everyday Joe/Jill with that biblical-babble. . . .you ain't hardly fooling the Almighty One.

Originally posted by sistuhchey

......Tastey...give me a break!!!... Negros praise God DAILY...and sinning non-stop...just as soon as they step out of their Sunday clothes.......and I for one...do not try to find the "FLAW"..in christians...for I KNOW man is FLAWED....I'm just tired of those that speak of being a Christian...but their actions...reflect a different lifestyle...

If you know the message board where the christians chat...I'd love to visit and observe:eek:

Brightness

10-05-2003, 05:23 PM

The difference I see in the cases you state is that the people repented and CEASED those activities that they KNEW were wrong.

EXAMPLE: Did Moses not see the Promised Land because he kept on murdering?

Of course, in all our human glory. . .we are going to fall short in our daily walk. . .but you and I both know that some "Christians" blatantly do that which they KNOW is incorrect and unpleasant in the sight of God. . . .and instead of praying for deliverance. . .they simply ask for forgiveness. That's the easy way out. . .accept your sinful nature, continue in it and repeatedly ask for forgiveness vs. transformation of your mind, spirit and being.

Now, in my opinion. . . some sins are easier to avoid than others . . .one such sin being fornication because it takes some planning, forethought and following through. . .even though to have the "planning stage" is in and of itself a sin.

Now, I'm not foolish enough to believe that every is powerless against the demon of sexual sin. . .some folks are (for lack of better words) trying to play God for the fool. . .

I'm not disputing the ability to change but at some point you have to maintain the change and work forward from there. . . .that's where a lot of Christians are missing the boat.

Originally posted by HulaSista

(excerpt from an email i recieved)

There is no past too troubled and no person that God can't redeem.

He took a murderer named Moses and made him a prophet.

He took a pimp named Abram and made him the father of many nations.(If you wonder why I call him that, go back to Genesis and see how many times he sold his wife off for possession because he was afraid of being killed.)

He took a liar and cheat named Jacob and made him a prince named Israel and blessed his seed...

He took a prostitute named Rahad, called her blessed and changed her profession!

He took a Christian hater named Saul and made him a great apostle,Paul.

Tastey

10-05-2003, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by sistuhchey

......Tastey...give me a break!!!... Negros praise God DAILY...and sinning non-stop...just as soon as they step out of their Sunday clothes.......and I for one...do not try to find the "FLAW"..in christians...for I KNOW man is FLAWED....I'm just tired of those that speak of being a Christian...but their actions...reflect a different lifestyle...

If you know the message board where the christians chat...I'd love to visit and observe:eek:

I'm not gonna get into a discussion of who's hippocritical and who's not because it's pointless and has nothing to do with what I'm referring to.

If a man tells me he's a doctor, and he wears a lab coat, and works at a hospital, but I know he's an ORDERLY the fact that he is lying about being a doctor will not make me let his give me a physical.

The same thing that if a man is in church every Sunday, but he's in the club every friday and saturday THAT man is not going to fool me into thinking he's something he's not.

When I say I want a Christian man of course I mean I want someone who is sincere.

However I have NEVER and will NEVER be one to try to say "He's not save he was in the club, she's not saved she's having pre-marital sex, she's not saved she called so and so a name."

That's bullsh*t and 9 times out of 10 the people saying it got more skeleton in their closets than Doctor Kevorkian.

I don't have room to judge other people, I'm too busy working on myself.

I don't know of any all Christian chats. The ones I used to visit had more fights than the Hush so I quit going. Because it was obvious that quite of few of those were not as they claimed to be.

But rather than sit back in judgement of them...I took care of me...and moved on.

HulaSista

10-05-2003, 11:42 PM

yeah... there is a scripture somewhere about removing the 2x4 in your eye before trying to dust the speck out of someone else's ;) ... but part of the 'other saved christian' ( lol ) responsibility is TO BE the example with honesty and sincereity about the difficulties of removing oneself from willfull sin and aideing the person (by example, encouragement, life application technique etc) to move away from it... just because it's willful sinning does not means they can't be saved from IT. heck, WORRYING is a willful sin, but, how many of us want to admit NOW that we do it? all sins have the SAME ETERNAL ramifications but DIFFERENT earthly consequences.

sistuhchey

10-06-2003, 08:58 AM

I pray God will help me with this misunderstanding.....

Christians arguing on chat...that's not surprising...especially if they "Black Folk"...

also...being a hypocrite..is the major obstacle (IMO) in most
so-called christians life...

I'm looking to meeting that christian that represents the warmth,love and forgiveness of Jesus Christ...

Most so-called christians I've encountered are agruemenative, feisty, and nosey,selfish,money hungary...and very judgemental...and constantly quoting..."My Pastor".....

yes I have a problem...with that......:confused:

HulaSista

10-06-2003, 10:57 AM

it just so happened that while thinking of the things you said chey and the word 'so called christian', my pastor (lol) out loud said the following during service yesterday:

surely a person turn their life over to christ at one point. and those of us who have are all called christians. and we have NO SAY in being called disciples (because we all have the same responsibility; disciples being another word christians are called), but our life shows whether we are two things:

a good disciple

or

a bad disciple.

*shrugg shoulder* makes sense to me.