Car shopping...

[Tastey]

Hey Hushfam I am car shopping and I need a little help.

First of all I let my other car go back right after Christmas because the payments were choking me and even though it was a 98 I had spent over a $1000 having it fixed 2x in the last year. The most recent time in Nov. I was sick of the payments, sick of it always needing to be fixed, and since I make less now than I did when I bought it I just finally decided to stop dodging the phone calls, and let them have it.

Well, I've gotten ONE of my W-2's and I will have a nice refund so now I'm looking around for a new vehicle. I want with all my heart a Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo. I found one in my price range that's nice and I'm gonna have my uncle (he's a shade tree mechanic) check it out. With the downpayment I plan to make I will have payments much less than on my other car for the next 2 years.

Here's the problem. My family wants me to take my refund and pay cash for a car. I've looked around and for the money I will have the BEST car I can find is at least 7 years old and has over 100,000 miles on it. Which basically means I'll be in the market for another car in a year...maybe less. I'm also being told "Oh just wait a few months keep looking" :eek: WTF??? Obviously they have no idea how hard it is being a single parent with no car. :blah:

So what does the Hush fam think?

[Babygirl]

Several things need to be established before you get another car loan. 1. Did you do a voluntary repossion or involuntary? If you did voluntary did you pay off the defiencent balance? These things can come back to haunt you when you car shop. Secondly when you did the figures for the Jeep, did you clculate the APR you might qualify for? If you have a repo on your credit 9 times out of 10 you will get stuck with a high APR anywhere for 12-23 %. But don't let that discourage you because you could always refinance in a couple of years. 3. Why not buy a new car that is cheaper in cost than a used Jeep? Say a Ford Focus, Toyota Corolla, and Hyndai anything???? Sometime when we have "less than perfect credit" we can't alway get want we want to start with. In saying all that , you need a reliable car...check out consumer reports magazine and take a look at what problem Jeeps have been having and any other car for that matter. My advised is to buy a cheaper new car because you have a full warranty( normally 3yr-36k miles or with Hyndai 5 yr 100k miles). Hope it helps.

[Toffee]

I agree with BabyGirl on this one. That Repo can come back to haunt you. Some companies may not finance u at all. You need to check that out. Also with the repo u may not qualify for a lower APR. So in the end you may pay a lot more for the car. You can find good used cars out there but Like u said bring someone with you who can check the car out. Believe me I'm gonna take my father with me when I go buy a car. Also u may still be able to get a new car but just another year. Since they are now selling 2002 cars you may be able to get a new 2001 or even a 2000 that they did not sell at a discounted price.

[que90nek]

babygirl is on point...

grand cherokee laredo???

huh...consider what it costs to maintain such a vehicle...tires cost 75-100 a piece....gas is premium and u only get 17 city miles per gallon...routine maintenance costs MORE.

get a Focus, something small and economical....that way u can get it new with warranty.

[Tastey]

I've checked into it and with my credit, I do not qualify for a new car unless I am able to make a HUGE downpayment and have a cosigner, and even then it would be a lease. With that I would also have about 15% APR. The payments would run alot more than I'm willing to kick out per month.

Besides that I do not want to pay for a car for the next 5 years. 2 years is my limit. I also do not want to pay more than $10,000 for a car. I don't know of a new car in that price range.

With my income tax refund I am able to pay 1/2 of the Jeep I want as a down payment. The company that financed my car before the car that was repoed is willing to finance that with low APR and low payments because I paid for my car through them, and I have good history with them.

My old car has not been sold yet so I am not sure about the remaining balance. I know that I will be responsible for paying it.

All cars have maintenance Que. There's no way around it. I need an SUV. I have needed one for years. My brother talked me out of it with the same argument you are using when I bought my last car. I can count several dozen times since I bought my Galant when I've had to BORROW someone's larger car to do what I needed to do.

That's the reason for looking for low payments so that I can afford the upkeep of the Jeep.

I can also BUY a warranty for the car from the dealer. Just because it's USED doesn't neccessarily mean it doesn't have a warranty. My Galant was under warranty but when my transmission went out and messed up all the belts the ONLY thing the warranty covered was the transmission. I STILL spent 996.00 on belts. Then less than a year later....I had to replace them all again. :rolleyes: Basically I bought a piece of sh*t car but I wrongly thought that since it was under warranty I was protected.

[Babygirl]

Not trying to get into your business, but how much of a down pymnt are you putting down, and what is the price of the Jeep they are try to sell you ???? Also, you stressed you really needed an SUV..what about a station wagon??? Not to be funny Tasety, but buying a used car is probably going to cost you more in the long run than having a 5 year car loan. And if they (dealership) are saying if you get a new car they will put you in a lease..you aren't paying interest( I have a lease myself), which is good for your situation. But ultimatley it IS your decison, but just weight the pros and cons of a new & used vehicle. Good Luck..let us know what you decide

[Tastey]

You have a lease Babygirl...you also have a husband.

I have just me. If I lose my job...there's noone to pay that lease. When I bought my Galant that was my thinking. It's newer it'll be cheaper in the long run. Now it's 2 years later...my financial situation has changed...and I couldn't pay for it. I still had 2 1/2 more years on that car. Honestly my only choice was giving it back. If I had bought what I wanted in the first place, and financed for 2 yrs like I wanted in the first place, it would have been almost paid for when I lost my job. I don't want to commit 5 years of my life ever again because being alone I don't know where I'll be financially in 5 years. I don't know where I'll be financially in 6 months which is why my main concern is getting low payments that can be made with an unemployment check if need be. The lowest payment I could get with a new car is 300+ a month because of my credit. I can't commit myself to that for the next 5 years. Every car I've ever owned was used and I've always had good reliable cars, except for once in 93, and then with this one. Used cars are a gamble, I know but honestly alot of them are good and reliable and don't drain your pocket.

The Jeep is priced at $7,120. It's a 97...low mileage. I have enough to pay 1/2 as my down payment which will put payments under $200/month.

To me station wagons are ugly. Looks are not the ONLY factor but I'm not gonna spend 5 minutes paying for a car I don't even like. Especially when I can get good looks and reliability. Why sacrifice one.

[seductive_tee]

Do ya'll have a CARMAX down there......$3500 down on one of there cars could get you well under 300 a month....and you'd probably have something like a 99 or 2000.

[Tastey]

Yes Tee, I have a good friend who is a sales rep at CarMax.

I had my eye on this GORGEOUS Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer Edition.

He says he's TRYING...but my credit was bad before I let this car go back. I'm still waiting on him to call me back. LOL :p

[que90nek]

all cars need maintenance, but some...more than others and some...the maintenance costs more...

SUV tires cost 4 times as much as regular tires.

This idea of an SUV is....really ...uh...interesting. If you THINK u need an SUV...why not get a very small truck....i'll assume u are haulin stuff around....

most suv's don't have that much more room than a car.

u seem set on getting the suv...so good luck...or God bless.

i have never heard somebody say they NEED an suv....

i'll admit...sometimes i would like a small truck to carry a big screen tv home from bestbuy....but since i don't have the small truck...no big screen for que.

[que90nek]

oh...and have u looked at the insurance difference for that SUV???

[SoftNwet]

Originally posted by Tastey+
Yes Tee, I have a good friend who is a sales rep at CarMax.

I had my eye on this GORGEOUS Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer Edition.

He says he's TRYING...but my credit was bad before I let this car go back. I'm still waiting on him to call me back. LOL :p

You may have to go ahead and pay cash for a car until your finacial situation is a little more stable. I know all about wanting the bomb assed ride and having to settle. I was trying to get a Lexus(used) but all I could get approved for was the Accord, but that was a year ago and things are getting better and I can now get what I want. You have already made a sacrifice by turning one car in you ma also have to wait a while befor you try to finance since you did the voluntary repo. When a bank or finance company see that and with it being so recent they are going to make you suffer with high interest rates. My credit is not the best but is getting better and the only thing that will make it better is time and proving that you can pay your bills.

[Babygirl]

looks like with all said and done you have made up your mind about your vehicle..how exactly can the Hush Fam help???? :D

[Melotic]

I will always have a hootie, just in case they start tripp'in on the job... Lay~off...

My brother always told me, if you have a car paid for you can always get to another job...

I would get a car I can pay for now, first... Pretend, I am making payments, and save $150~250 a month until I have my bills straight and can afford what I want...

You can find a nice use car with low milage, usually from a private owner: Old Folks...

I still have my college car, 'cause I bought it from some old man... It's 12 years old with almost 200,000 miles and running... I will keep it until my truck is paid off, later this year...

[SoftNwet]

Originally posted by Melotic+
I will always have a hootie, just in case they start tripp'in on the job... Lay~off...

I still have my college car, 'cause I bought it from some old man... It's 12 years old with almost 200,000 miles and running... I will keep it until my truck is paid off, later this year...

Yo Melotic.......you got the "Hooptie rollin', tailpipe draggin......."
Damn I forget who sings that song.

[Melotic]

Originally posted by softNwet+


Yo Melotic.......you got the "Hooptie rollin', tailpipe draggin......."
Damn I forget who sings that song.

Not that bad... :)
My Hooptie is better some people only car... Hell, I never broke~down...
I do have two cars, just in case it is needed, on reserve...:D

[Tastey]

Originally posted by Babygirl+
looks like with all said and done you have made up your mind about your vehicle..how exactly can the Hush Fam help???? :D

What's the saying 2 heads are better than one? Or in this case 20+ heads. LOL

I do pretty much have my mind made up but I wanted to make sure there was nothing I had not thought of. Like Que said with the insurance and the maintenance. I had not considered that now I am....may not change my mind...but it's a point I had not seen on my own.

By the way Que where you buying tires at for $25. Hook a sista up? LOL When I put tires on my Galant last January I paid 250 for 4 tires.

I seriously considered the Toyota truck awhile back. But it just would not work.

A truck does not have passenger room, only room for hauling things. I used to drive my Dad's truck all the time but he sold he. A Jeep Grand Cherokee will hold 5 passengers and still have room for hauling things.

Heres one scenario: Laundry day. I have 5 or more baskets, my son, and one of my neices or nephews. In a truck...somebody is walking. If it's raining, I ain't going.

Another one: Sunday morning, my Mom calls she and my Dad want to ride with me to church (happened at least once a month) in a truck...where are they gonna sit? Or if it's my neice where is she gonna fit her daughter's car seat? You remember Brandy? She said hi Que. LOL This last month not only do I not have a ride but those who bum rides from me ain't had no rides either. LOL

Last scenario: Once a month it my responsibility as den leader to take the Boy Scouts on an outing. We have 10 boys that we split between 2 leader and EVERYONE has to take a turn driving. How am I gonna get 5 boys in a truck? It's illegal in SC for them to ride in the back.

It may not seem like it but I am listening to what everybody is saying and weighing my options. Mel I had a used Galant almost identical to the one I let go back, a few years older, picked out. It was $3000. The heiffer sold it. :blah:

[Melotic]

Originally posted by Tastey+





I seriously considered the Toyota truck awhile back. But it just would not work.

A truck does not have passenger room, only room for hauling things. I used to drive my Dad's truck all the time but he sold he. A Jeep Grand Cherokee will hold 5 passengers and still have room for hauling things.



I have a Tacoma, too...

I want to get a SUV, Sequoia...

[que90nek]

By the way Que where you buying tires at for $25. Hook a sista up? LOL When I put tires on my Galant last January I paid 250 for 4 tires.

--THE EXAMPLE IS TO SHOW THAT NORMALLY SUV TIRES ARE 3-4 TIMES AS COSTLY

I seriously considered the Toyota truck awhile back. But it just would not work.

A truck does not have passenger room, only room for hauling things. I used to drive my Dad's truck all the time but he sold he. A Jeep Grand Cherokee will hold 5 passengers and still have room for hauling things.
Heres one scenario: Laundry day. I have 5 or more baskets, my son, and one of my neices or nephews. In a truck...somebody is walking. If it's raining, I ain't going.

SURELY YOU ARE HAULING SOMETHING OTHER THAN LAUNDRY? PERHAPS YOU SHOULD DO LAUNDRY WELL BEFORE YOU HAVE FIVE LOADS! OR SPLIT THEM UP...YOU CAN FIT THREE LOADS IN MOST TRUNKS...

Another one: Sunday morning, my Mom calls she and my Dad want to ride with me to church (happened at least once a month) in a truck...where are they gonna sit? Or if it's my neice where is she gonna fit her daughter's car seat? You remember Brandy? She said hi Que. LOL This last month not only do I not have a ride but those who bum rides from me ain't had no rides either. LOL

HEY TELL BRANDY I SAID HELLO (AND STICK YOUR TONGUE OUT AND WINK AT THE SAME TIME...THEN TELL HER THAT I'M COMIN TO GREENVILLE REALLY REALLY SOON) IF YOU ARE EXPECTED TO BE THE TRANSPORTER OF PEOPLE...PERHAPS YOU SHOULD GET A BUS. A REGULAR SIZED CAR WILL HOLD PEOPLE....MAYBE A SMALL TRUCK IS NOT THE ANSWER BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU REALLY AREN'T DOIN THAT MUCH "REAL" HAULIN EITHER. I GUARANTEE U THAT IT WILL BE A VERY TIGHT FIT WITH BRANDY, HER CHILD SEAT, AND YOUR PARENTS AND YOUR CHILD....AND YOU.

Last scenario: Once a month it my responsibility as den leader to take the Boy Scouts on an outing. We have 10 boys that we split between 2 leader and EVERYONE has to take a turn driving. How am I gonna get 5 boys in a truck? It's illegal in SC for them to ride in the back.

BUY A REGULAR ECONOMY CAR. FITS 4-5 BOYS EASILY.

[que90nek]

also...consider GAS. you seem to be always on the go...having to buy premium and feed those gas guzzlers...can be a serious strain.

it is not cute to put $1 gas in an SUV! lol

[Tastey]

I HAD a regular sized economy car. It fit 4-5 boys SNUGLY. LOL

I understand the issue with the tires, but according to Car&Driver.com they should only need replacing once every 30,000 miles. I think I can handle that.

I'm going to Geico.com to estimate the insurance.

Gas is currently 95cents here, and I'm cute pumping $1.00 worth of gas, even in an SUV. LOL :D

[SoftNwet]

Originally posted by Tastey+
I HAD a regular sized economy car. It fit 4-5 boys SNUGLY. LOL

I understand the issue with the tires, but according to Car&Driver.com they should only need replacing once every 30,000 miles. I think I can handle that.

I'm going to Geico.com to estimate the insurance.

Gas is currently 95cents here, and I'm cute pumping $1.00 worth of gas, even in an SUV. LOL :D

Tastey, you really need to look at the big picture. Tires for and SUV and this is only the cheap ones can run $300-500 and the way it sounds like you run around they may not last 30,000 miles. You have aready said that is is just you and what happens when the car needs maitenence, tires, gas? $1 in a Galant ain't shit in an SUV. I know I have rented one and tried to put $5 in it thinking that it would get to half a tank-NOT!! I know that gas is cheap here in the south but "buyer beware!!" the deal must know that you want the car realy bad so they are gonna make it that much more appetizing. I just don't want to see a fellow single parent bumming rides cause the new/used car they bought put them down.

[que90nek]

30000 miles is cool and all...but what happens if u blow a couple tires out? the thing about cars that gets most of us...is the unforeseen things that always seem to happen to US...

let's assume that these things WILL happen....murphy's law.

lol@soft...that was funny....5 dollars...half tank!!!...lol....whew...

i can see it now...u turn the key...u lookin for the needle to go up...but for some reason...it stays at a lil over an eighth...lol...

don't most SUV's take premium gas? i know our premium runs about 15-20cent more.

[14KBlaqWmn]

Originally posted by que90nek+
don't most SUV's take premium gas? i know our premium runs about 15-20cent more.
Some do, que. I just purchased an SUV this week. The car runs on the cheap grade. Thank God.

Tastey I understand that you want to get what you want, but sometimes what you want isn't best for you or what you can afford. You NEED a vehicle and right now it sounds like you should try to find something within your means until you can get your credit back up. Good luck!!!

[Melotic]

I have seen the Fuel~Tanker Truck filling the Local Gas Stations Tanks... There is just one truck that comes... Yet, they have 3 Grades of Fuel to offer... Ok...:rolleyes::confused::fu:idea:upto: I use the cheap shyt too... I think that bottle water thing is suspect, too...

Originally posted by 14KBlaqWmn+

Some do, que. I just purchased an SUV this week. The car runs on the cheap grade. Thank God.

Tastey I understand that you want to get what you want, but sometimes what you want isn't best for you or what you can afford. You NEED a vehicle and right now it sounds like you should try to find something within your means until you can get your credit back up. Good luck!!!

[Bedroomeyes]

You and I are ---------><----------- :D

[14KBlaqWmn]

Which Mel?...LOL :D

It's my understanding that there are filters underneath the ground that purify the different oils/gases to make them into the different grades. Now whether that's true or not, I'm not 100% sure, but I'll be using 87 on pump #5. :D

[Melotic]

Originally posted by 14KBlaqWmn+
Which Mel?...LOL :D

It's my understanding that there are filters underneath the ground that purify the different oils/gases to make them into the different grades. Now whether that's true or not, I'm not 100% sure, but I'll be using 87 on pump #5. :D

There's a pot of gold at the end of a rain~bow, too!

[SoftNwet]

Originally posted by 14KBlaqWmn+
but I'll be using 87 on pump #5. :D

LMBAO!!!!

But Melotic, I agree that there is only one truck, not a Premium, Mid-Grade, and Regular truck so I am with 14K and getting my 87grade but give me $5 on pump 10.

Yo 14K, I'll meet you at Club QT on Panola Road!!!!;) ;)

[Melotic]

So, they giving you the same fuel... Filters wear~out... How often do they change these filters...

They just built a Station not too far from where I live, there was one tank put in the ground... Are these filters on the nozzle...

[que90nek]

let's get some factual info on this...

i would like to believe that the OCTANE rating is true and testable.

[Melotic]

Like Ford and GM won't tell you that they manufacturer, their vehicle to last 5 years... So, you will have to get major repairs or purchase a new one after that...

While the Germans and Japanese build their vehicles to last at least 15+ years...

I like the new GMC Envoy, Chevy Trail~blazer and Escalade...

But, I think I will get a 4~Runner...

[14KBlaqWmn]

This is what I found on the gasoline grades. It explains it to some degree.

http://encarta.msn.com/find/Concise.asp?ti=01F70000

[14KBlaqWmn]

Originally posted by Melotic+
Like Ford and GM won't tell you that they manufacturer, their vehicle to last 5 years... So, you will have to get major repairs or purchase a new one after that...

While the Germans and Japanese build their vehicles to last at least 15+ years...

I like the new GMC Envoy, Chevy Trail~blazer and Escalade...

But, I think I will get a 4~Runner...

Mel, I thought like that too until I found out that the majority of the foreign car companies are somewhat Americanized.

[que90nek]

yeah...
u can really add water to your gas and it will do the same thing...one part water ...two parts gas. :rolleyes:

it's really easy to be a skeptic....

let's question everything...let's not believe anything.

let's start with the color BLUE.

I don't believe that the color BLUE is really the color blue...I think that the color blue is really the color RED. Now can somebody prove to me that I am wrong...otherwise... I AM RIGHT

[Melotic]

Originally posted by 14KBlaqWmn+


Mel, I thought like that too until I found out that the majority of the foreign car companies are somewhat Americanized.

Geo = Toyota...
Chyrsler got better after Daimler bought it...
and...

[14KBlaqWmn]

So Mel then you know that Geo has some problems and that Daimler is owed by Mercedes....right????

[Melotic]

Geo is america, right...
chrysler is america, right...

They can't change 40+ years of bull~shyt over nite...:p

[14KBlaqWmn]

Right. But you're missing the point. The point is that even today most foreign car companies are partially owned by american companies and vice versa. So with that said, you're getting a half a lemon instead of the whole shebang. :D

[Melotic]

I will take my toyota over ford and GM, any day...

[14KBlaqWmn]

Originally posted by Melotic+
I will take my toyota over ford and GM, any day...

Whether you know it or not dear, Toyota and GM go hand in hand. Check under a Toyota hood.

[Tastey]

I am test driving a 95 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited. I am supposed to take it back to the dealer on Monday. I'll let ya'll know if I decide to buy it.

By the way I put $5 worth of gas in and although it didn't make it to 1/2 a tank it was damn close. LOL :p

[Melotic]

Originally posted by Tastey+


By the way I put $5 worth of gas in and although it didn't make it to 1/2 a tank it was damn close. LOL :p

You put Primo in it, or the cheap shyt... Lol...;)

[que90nek]

lol
come on tastey....quit playin!

u know that u started out at 3/8!


i pray that u don't get that car.

but if u do....i pray that it will work well for u ... u and your 5 loads of laundry :D

[que90nek]

how many miles is on this car?

a 95...seems like it is close to that ominous 100k mark...which means that it will start having problems....about 4 mos after u get it.

[Tastey]

It was on E. The light was blinking like crazy. You know dealers don't keep no gas in cars. And yes Mel I bought the cheap gas. It's 93 cents a gallon. :D

Que, why are you so against me getting this car?

I've done my research and I honestly think that IF I purchase it, I will have made an informed decision. I checked into your concerns about maintenance...found nothing I couldn't handle. I checked into your concerns about insurance. It will cost no more to insure than the car I had.

I investigated this model at Autotrader.com, at Car&Driver. I check the black book price vs what the dealer is asking for it. It's a fair price. I turned down one that was overpriced.

This one has special tires that cost 125 each. The dealer is putting 4 news on for me IF I purchase it.

So what's your concern???? :confused:

[Melotic]

mile limited, before major repairs are needed... Buyer Beware... I think Que is give you some sound advice...

[que90nek]

i wouldnt recommend the purchase of a 95 car....in the year 2002.

i wouldnt go back further than 98. a car with 100k miles on it will need some maintenance...but if u r able to handle unexpected maintenance...then do it.

timing belts, other belts,....ask when they were replaced...

when was the last break job?

how does the battery look?

[que90nek]

why do u think most warranties are only up until the first 100k miles! lol...because the manufacturer knows!!!!! they shiznit normally falls apart after 100k.

[Tastey]

Good now you want to give me actual advise instead of PRAYING that I don't get it. Makes more sense to me. :rolleyes:

The belts were changed last year, the battery is new the dealer replaced the one that was in it when he bought it, he also put new brakes on it. I will ask about the belts when I go back on Monday. It has 96,000 miles.

I also am purchasing a 3yr 30,000 mile warranty with the car if I purchase it.

Mel, up until this point Que wasn't giving advise...he was PRAYING for me to not get the car. Big difference. Especially since he was not giving any reasons.

I posted this to get sound advise, not to be told what to do. I checked out Car&Driver like Babygirl suggested, I checked out the tires cost like Que said, I checked out the gas like Soft said, I checked out the insurance cost like Que said, and I even checked some other things that were not said...then I mention that I am test driving a car and he's PRAYING I don't buy it??? That's not advise...that wanting me to do what he would do rather than offering me advise to make my own decision.

[Melotic]

Be careful... Those warranties, generally only cover certain things...

[que90nek]

tastey...i was praying that u don't get an SUV...and i still am!

suv is not for single mother that just got her other car repo'd. in my humble opinion. if u r hell bent on buying one...which it seems that u r....i then spit out some other concerns. those warranties are usually a waste of money...because like melotic says...they only cover major major engine failures. read the fine print.

more questions for u:

1. why is the gas light blinking? is that normal?
2. the brakes that were replaced...i'll wager that it was ONLY the brake pads....which are easy to replace, but what the problem generally is ...is with other parts of the brake...the rotors, tire rods, etc.
3. how in the world do u put 5 bucks in and fill up half the tank...seems like that indicator is off....that would make the tank extra small for a regular sized car...around a 12 gallon tank...???

[14KBlaqWmn]

Tastey, I think the concern here is based on past things that you've mentioned on this board.....ie. financial and job problems. We are just trying to give you some things to think about before you make that step and get into something that you may not be able to handle. But you know what, you're a grown woman. You're gonna do what you want to regardless of whether we agree or disagree on what you want to do. All I can say, good luck to ya!

[Tastey]

tastey...i was praying that u don't get an SUV...and i still am!

suv is not for single mother that just got her other car repo'd. in my humble opinion.

Can you explain what either has to do with an SUV? The reason my other car was repo'd was because I could not afford $300/month payments AND the maintenance that I had to put on a 98 vehicle that was UNDER WARRANTY. In 2 years I had spent over $2500 in repairs. I could not afford to do both. I can either pay on it or fix it.
Whatever I buy and more likely than not it will be an SUV I will not have $300/month payments. As a matter of fact if the dealer sells for the price I want my payments will be less than $150/month. If he doesn't I won't buy it...I'm not hell bent on anything. I had him replace the tires in order to save the expense you were so concerned with, I took the car home for the weekend to check out the gas mileage you were so concerned with, I got a quote on insurance that you were so concerned with. I also spoke with 3 Jeep owners. One is a single person with no kids the others are single mothers just like me with about the same salary. They all had NOTHING but great things to say about owning a Jeep. I've already mentioned the research I did on the net on the reliability of a Jeep. Your concerns were unfounded based on your OPINION but not any REAL FACTS. If they had been I probably would have decided to buy something else but unfortunately they were not. I respect your OPINION Que but that's really all it is.OPINION.


more questions for u:

1. why is the gas light blinking? is that normal?
The light blinks to tell you that you are low on gas. DUH!
2. the brakes that were replaced...i'll wager that it was ONLY the brake pads....which are easy to replace, but what the problem generally is ...is with other parts of the brake...the rotors, tire rods, etc.
How much would you like to wager? Because you lose. It was a FULL brake job including rotors. I think I mentioned in my original post that my uncle is a mechanic and he would be checking out WHATEVER I bought. He has confirmed this for me.
3. how in the world do u put 5 bucks in and fill up half the tank...seems like that indicator is off....that would make the tank extra small for a regular sized car...around a 12 gallon tank...???
I said it CAME CLOSE to 1/2 tank...now I don't know what size the tank is but from driving it this weekend I have found that it gets about the same mileage as my Galant did. There is some difference but it's minimal. I won't be spending more than 10% more money in gas. Certainly not $300/month worth.

For that matter even the worst case scenario of maintenance will not cost me $300/mnth. That's what I could not afford. I can afford to own an SUV. I can afford to put tires on an SUV, or put gas in an SUV. If I couldn't I wouldn't buy it. When I purchased my other vehicle I could afford it, when I realized I could no longer afford it...I let it go. Ya'll either have read nothing I've posted or you think I'm so stupid as to let one expensive car go and get another one. Gee thanks. :rolleyes:

Sorry Que, but whether I buy this one or not I'm buying an SUV. Maybe you need to pray for something else.

[Melotic]

It seems like your mind was made~up, from jump~street...:confused:

[Tastey]

Originally posted by Melotic+
It seems like your mind was made~up, from jump~street...:confused:

Actually my mind is not made up now. I haven't bought anything. I have decided on an SUV but that's only part of it. :rolleyes:

I have takeneverythingthat everyone has said and researched it for myself, left no stone unturned, but still even with the facts you're the 3rd person to say...I already had my mind made up. :rolleyes:

Okay whose advise do I take? Babygirls and get a lease? Yours and pay cash? Que's and not get an SUV? 14k's and not get anything I can't handle? Soft's and be careful of the gas cost?

Hell, I have looked into everyone of those concerns and found the FACTS and ya'll still ain't satisfied??? :confused:

I have listed over and over and over and over and over how many different sources I researched based on concerns listed here and ya'll still wanna say that bullsh*t!

Whatthefuckeverrrrrr!!!

There is a big difference in offering someone advise, and deciding what someone should do.

The only thing my mind is already made up about is not to ever ask the Hush fam for advise again.

[Melotic]

Originally posted by Tastey+


I have listed over and over and over and over and over how many different sources I researched based on concerns listed here and ya'll still wanna say that bullsh*t!

Whatthefuckeverrrrrr!!!

There is a big difference in offering someone advise, and deciding what someone should do.

The only thing my mind is already made up about is not to ever ask the Hush fam for advise again.

OK...

[14KBlaqWmn]

Originally posted by 14KBlaqWmn+
Tastey, I think the concern here is based on past things that you've mentioned on this board.....ie. financial and job problems. We are just trying to give you some things to think about before you make that step and get into something that you may not be able to handle. But you know what, you're a grown woman. You're gonna do what you want to regardless of whether we agree or disagree on what you want to do. All I can say, good luck to ya!

Once again.

[Tastey]

I understand what you are saying.

My point is when you give someone advise and they say...Okay...I'll look into that...or I've already looked into that what more do you want from them? :confused:

[que90nek]

well...in my case...YOUR MIND is made up!

but its all good...ms tastey...this is just advice and opinions...you will do with it what u want and make an informed decision that you have to live with...


you really should work on your sensitivity....i would be glad to help u.

[Tastey]

Originally posted by que90nek+
well...in my case...YOUR MIND is made up!


I didn't make up my mind about an SUV until I looked at all of the facts, and researched all of the things you told me to research. As a matter of fact because of what you said about the tires I didn't by the one I originally posted about because the dealer would not replace the tires for me.
Then you come back and accuse me of being hell-bent on doing what I want to.

I'll work on my sensitivity if you'll work on your respect.

[que90nek]

would u care to put this to a poll?

i would wager u a NEW CAR that u r the only one that feels like i disrespected you.

i would wager u a set of tires that i am not the only person that feels like u r being overly sensitive.

Would u take that bet...or do u know better! lol

[Tastey]

You already lost the wager about the brakes. Why are you wagering again? :rolleyes:

I have no desire to continue to debate with you Que, or even to waste time trying to fuel a bet. I came here for advise. I've been on the Hush going on 3 years I should have known it would turn from that into a debate over my sensitivity that you feel compelled to bring up every chance you get.

Like you've so often told me. You don't know me Que. You don't know me at all.

To those who truly offered advise I thank you, I have been listening, and it will help my final decision.

By the way Que...since you are not willing to work on YOU...I decline your offer to work on ME. :rolleyes:

[14KBlaqWmn]

Originally posted by Tastey+

Like you've so often told me. You don't know me Que. You don't know me at all.

By the way Que...since you are not willing to work on YOU...I decline your offer to work on ME. :rolleyes:

I haven't seen anything wrong with que's posts. I don't think anything he said was to indicate that he knew you at all. He just used information that you provided and gave different things to think about. He expressed his opinion and either you could take it or leave it. But it seems like instead of leaving it, you've continued to go back and forth with him.

[Melotic]

aint the advice you want to hear... That's all...:rolleyes:

[Tastey]

I have no desire to go back and forth with anybody.

I've already told Que that I respected his OPINION, I've already said I LISTENED and took heed to everything he said.

I honestly have no idea what either of you are referring to. What's more...I don't care anymore.

Lesson learned.

[que90nek]

Originally posted by que90nek+
would u care to put this to a poll?

i would wager u a NEW CAR that u r the only one that feels like i disrespected you.

i would wager u a set of tires that i am not the only person that feels like u r being overly sensitive.

Would u take that bet...or do u know better! lol
i'm sittin here tryin to GIVE u a car...or at least a set of tires!!!

lol....i was dead serious!

and as far as your brakes....if they replaced the rotors....i would ask them why the heck they did that? were they THAT worn down?

[Tastey]

Originally posted by que90nek+

i'm sittin here tryin to GIVE u a car...or at least a set of tires!!!

lol....i was dead serious!

and as far as your brakes....if they replaced the rotors....i would ask them why the heck they did that? were they THAT worn down?

Why do you insist on keeping this going? You already won your bet 14k and Melotic have already run in and said they agreed with you? What more do you need?

What I find intersting is that "someone" PM'd you that you might have disrespected Tee and you quickly apologize.

I tell you I feel disrespected and you want to take bets and polls on how overly sensitive Tastey is?

Yeah Whatever Que. :rolleyes:

I am through with this Que, you can amuse yourself at someone else's expense the rest of the day.

[14KBlaqWmn]

This has gone way past ridiculous.

[que90nek]

if somebody pm'd me and told me that it seemed like i disrespected u...i would apologize to you too.

perhaps if u point out the disrespectful thing that i said....i would understand. can u do that for me?

[mack_black]

getting Back on point.....

have you brought the vehicle yet?

I understand that you want a Jeep.....

my personal advise is to not buy one of those....I know 4 people who have chief cherokees and they are all disappointed....

I know some people here hate Fords...but I'll bet that none has owned one, or better yet knew how to care for one....

I like trucks/SUVs and sports cars....and my trucks have all been fords...I still have my first truck...an 85 Ford F150 P/U...I just alwways kept it maintained....I guess some people just expect to ride a vehicle to death and when it acts up, due to their negligence, the vehicle now all of a sudden aint shit.... :confused: :rolleyes: :eek:

so why not consider a well-cared for explorer?

[14KBlaqWmn]

With any vehicle, if you maintain it properly, it will last. It's not always the manufacturer.

[Tastey]

Originally posted by mack_black+
getting Back on point.....

have you brought the vehicle yet?

I understand that you want a Jeep.....

my personal advise is to not buy one of those....I know 4 people who have chief cherokees and they are all disappointed....

I know some people here hate Fords...but I'll bet that none has owned one, or better yet knew how to care for one....

I like trucks/SUVs and sports cars....and my trucks have all been fords...I still have my first truck...an 85 Ford F150 P/U...I just alwways kept it maintained....I guess some people just expect to ride a vehicle to death and when it acts up, due to their negligence, the vehicle now all of a sudden aint shit.... :confused: :rolleyes: :eek:

so why not consider a well-cared for explorer?

I haven't bought anything yet, I'm still weighing my options.

I test drove an Explorer not this past weekend but the weekend before. I personally don't like that it's much higher off the ground than the Jeep. I'm only 5'3'' and I didn't like the climb. LOL :p But otherwise I had no problem with it. I'm still considering it.

I also spoke with a friend who said the same about the chief Cherokees, however he said that the Grand Cherokees don't experience the same problems. My sister has a chief cherokee wishes she'd bought a Grand instead.

[Tastey]

Originally posted by que90nek+
if somebody pm'd me and told me that it seemed like i disrespected u...i would apologize to you too.

perhaps if u point out the disrespectful thing that i said....i would understand. can u do that for me?

If the only way you will apologize is if someone else validates that my feelings are justified, then keep it.

That's the root of your whole problem Que. If you don't feel, or someone other than Tastey doesn't see it, then you decide that my feelings are not valid...too sensitive.

I couldn't possibly NEED an SUV, of course you know that because you know me so well :rolleyes: I couldn't possibly have checked out all the things I said I did (I'm just hell-bent) on doing what I want. And it's common Hush knowledge that I'm too sensitive so of course you can place bets to prove that my feelings are not justified.

You know what Que, when you learn that how other people FEEL is as valid as how you feel someplace other than in a bedroom then maybe you will have clue as to how disrespectful you were to me.

In the meantime for all I care you can go straight to hell! :blah:

[que90nek]

Originally posted by Tastey+


If the only way you will apologize is if someone else validates that my feelings are justified, then keep it.

That's the root of your whole problem Que. If you don't feel, or someone other than Tastey doesn't see it, then you decide that my feelings are not valid...too sensitive.

I couldn't possibly NEED an SUV, of course you know that because you know me so well :rolleyes: I couldn't possibly have checked out all the things I said I did (I'm just hell-bent) on doing what I want. And it's common Hush knowledge that I'm too sensitive so of course you can place bets to prove that my feelings are not justified.

You know what Que, when you learn that how other people FEEL is as valid as how you feel someplace other than in a bedroom then maybe you will have clue as to how disrespectful you were to me.

In the meantime for all I care you can go straight to hell! :blah:

I apologize, tastey. I'll try to keep my opinions to myself where you are concerned.

*packing my bags...going to hell now :( *

[14KBlaqWmn]

Dang Tastey. Is it that serious that you have to tell someone to go to hell? That's uncool.

[que90nek]

*it's hot in here*
Could somebody send me some water down here?

[que90nek]

it's still hot...

[OhSoPrecious]

All this over a car~??? :confused: (sigh)

[que90nek]

*least u could offer me some water...*

it's hot in here!:evil:

[Tastey]

Originally posted by que90nek+
*least u could offer me some water...*

it's hot in here!:evil:

Guess that proves the old saying:

"People in Hell want ice water" RTFLOL :p

[14KBlaqWmn]

I finally found out about the different grades of gas at gas stations from someone that used to drive trucks.

Here's the thing. There is only one truck that brings all the different grades at one time. The truck's tank is divided down into the different grades and diesel, and there are different hoses that come from the different areas of the tank that will in turn be put into the specific grade wells in the ground.

Now when you go to a gas station you may see a driver only putting in gas in a couple of the wells. That is because those may be the only wells that need to be filled. How the driver finds out if the gas needs to be replenished is with a dipstick....pretty much the same way you find out if you're low on oil.

A good point that was made by this driver was, if you put a high grade in your car, do you notice a difference in the performance as opposed to putting a lower grade in. Most of the time you do notice a difference so you know that it all couldn't be the same gas.

In my old cars, I could tell the difference when I put 93 in and when I put 87 in, so his response must be correct. But since I have another vehicle it only calls for 87 so it doesn't matter anymore.

Now with this info, which grade will you buy?

[Melotic]

Originally posted by 14KBlaqWmn+
I finally found out about the different grades of gas at gas stations from someone that used to drive trucks.

Now with this info, which grade will you buy?

I heard that before, but I still don't believe it... I am sure, at the refinary if they are short of chemicals to make a certain grade, they cheat...

Thanx...



Another question...


How much more fuel is left in the world, until there is no more...






Sike...

[14KBlaqWmn]

And vice versa Mel. What if the tanker is low on 87 and has more 93? It could go any which way, but I thought I'd provide you with facts from an individual that used to drive one of the trucks.

[Melotic]

Thanx again... I will try the other grades to see for myself...