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Brightness
12-06-2001, 06:34 PM
The more I hear about this fiasco, the angrier I get :blast . . .

This is just another example for not having all your eggs in your company's 401k stock plan. The company allegedly misled (deliberately lied) with some 'creative bookkeeping' and they acknowledged 'overstated profits' for 4 years. :confused: Excuse me????

Here's an excerpt from one article:



The Enron workers who invested their life savings in the company's stock through its 401(k) plan are broke. They must get in line at bankruptcy court, behind the big banks and the brokerages and the energy companies who are, without question, ahead of them.

Details of the caper are shocking, if not illegal. The company fraudulently pumped up its stock price with false information. It gave employees company stock, not cash, for the 401(k) plan's company "match" and encouraged them to buy more on their own. It blocked workers from selling the stock as it was becoming worthless - even as corporate officials sold theirs.

The Enron crash is a parable. The story so far is spun out as one of loyal but gullible workers who just don't get it. The TV financial advisers are saying, of course, you should not invest your retirement money in the company for which you work. Didn't you know that?

It is dandy advice for an investing public that, surveys show, cannot necessarily tell a stock from a bond. But its very premise reveals a crisis that is truer, and deeper.

They have sold us the idea that retirement is a do-it-yourself project.

The beauty, if you are an employer, is that if something goes terribly wrong, there is no contractor to sue. Most of the cost, and all the risk, is on the worker.

In exchange, workers are told they can, on their very own, build the Taj Mahal. All they need do is use well this wonderful new tool.

That is the advertising, anyway. Here is the truth: The average 401(k) balance last year was $49,000, according to the Employee Benefits Research Institute. That was before this year's downward stock spiral.

We simply don't have pensions anymore. Fewer than half of all private-sector workers are covered by any type of retirement plan, including the savings accounts that go by the name 401(k).

This is by corporate design and congressional collusion.

The last substantial piece of pension legislation enacted was a measure allowing high-income people to invest more money in 401(k)s. The only proposal moving forward now is The Retirement Security Advice Act. It would let your employers, and the big financial companies that oversee your account money, give you advice on how to invest it. Doesn't that sound secure?

There is no apparent rush to shield workers from future Enrons. The last person who tried, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), got thrashed by corporate lobbyists when she tried to limit company stock held by 401(k)s. The Boxer bill was thoroughly diluted. It passed, with language exquisitely crafted to apply to no plans.

Do not ponder this mystery. The financial industry is by far the biggest source of campaign contributions to candidates for federal office. It is the driving force behind President George W. Bush's plan to take Social Security, the only guaranteed retirement income most Americans will have, and turn it into a giant 401(k).

The workers of Enron were unfortunate guinea pigs. This botched experiment, if not brought to a halt, will one day produce a generation of retirees driven to throwing themselves under trucks.

lasttry
12-07-2001, 08:40 PM
well that is bad... but i don't think i would ever put that much into a company i worked for unless it's like microsoft or wal-mart ...

the company did mess over them.... but i would think that they could have found out that something was fishy... or either they should have not put that much into one stock in the first place

diversification is the name of the game

davinci
01-02-2002, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by lasttry+


diversification is the name of the game

corporate level, maybe...but the individual should find what he/she does well and stick with it. financial education is the key. i been on a real estate, stock option and IPO reading frenzy. pissed at myself for not knowing about this and more so at my people for not educating ourselves. even blackenterprise prints these carbon copy, middle class, stressless (and all stress ain't bad), low risk (and all risk ain't bad either) articles that don't really educate. it isn't until the world is doing it (i.e., mutual funds) that people try to learn.

my point is that enron fucked some folks, but that's the price of ignorance - one trusts others too much.

djackso
01-02-2002, 10:25 AM
That's called creative accounting & happens more than you think. Companies lie on the books hoping things will turn around & can correct the books later but Enron went belly-up.

Brightness
01-02-2002, 03:32 PM
Precisely, I worked for 3 years in a company's accounting company so I know how to read between the lines. . .it's not to hard to see progressive loss but the company remains flat or shows little 'overall decline'. . .that gets my red flag to waving every time.

I'm now at a bank and I see there how stuff gets written off and from both jobs I've seen how G/L's can be "manipulated". . .in the long run it has to show up 'somewhere' and usually that 'somewhere' is at the expense of the little guys because they aren't getting the heads-up like the big dogs.

These two jobs have showed me to "know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run".

Originally posted by djackso+
That's called creative accounting & happens more than you think. Companies lie on the books hoping things will turn around & can correct the books later but Enron went belly-up.