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SouthCaliDiva
01-03-2005, 10:39 AM
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9th Circuit: Employer Can Force Women to Wear Makeup
Thursday December 30, 2:58 am ET
Justin M. Norton, The Recorder

In an opinion likely to raise the ire of civil rights and feminist groups, a divided 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel ruled Tuesday that a woman who was fired from her job as a casino bartender for refusing to wear makeup cannot sue for sex discrimination.
The 2-1 decision rejected bartender Darlene Jespersen's argument that Harrah's Operating Co. violated her rights when it implemented "Personal Best" image standards requiring women to wear makeup and men to trim their fingernails and keep their hair short.

"Even if we were to take judicial notice of the fact that the application of makeup requires some expenditure of time and money, Jespersen would still have the burden of producing some evidence that the burdens associated with the makeup requirement are greater than the burdens the 'Personal Best' policy imposes on male bartenders," Senior Judge A. Wallace Tashima wrote for the majority.

Judge Barry Silverman concurred.

Judge Sidney Thomas dissented, saying that a jury easily could have found that the makeup requirement illegally requires female employees to conform to sex stereotypes, or that it places more of a burden on women than Harrah's male grooming standards.

"Sex-differentiated appearance standards stemming from stereotypes that women are unfit for work, fulfill a different role in the workplace, or are incapable of exercising professional judgment systematically impose a burden on women, converting such stereotypes into stubborn reality," Thomas wrote.

Jespersen worked as a sports bartender at Harrah's in Reno, Nev., for nearly two decades and received exemplary performance evaluations. Harrah's encouraged female beverage servers to wear makeup, but it was not required.

Jespersen briefly tried wearing makeup but later stopped because she felt it "forced her to be feminine" and to become "dolled up" like a sex object.

The company changed its appearance standards in 2000, announcing the goal of a "brand standard of excellence." It required female bartenders to use nail polish and wear their hair down and either "teased, curled or styled." Later the rule was amended to add makeup, which Harrah's defined as "foundation/concealer and/or face powder, as well as blush and mascara," plus lip color.

Male bartenders, meanwhile, were required to wear their hair above the collar and keep their nails clean and neatly trimmed. Makeup, ponytails and nail polish were banned for men.

Jespersen was terminated in July 2000 after refusing to comply with the makeup requirements. A district court granted summary judgment for Harrah's, ruling that its policy did not impose unequal burdens on the sexes.

The 9th Circuit agreed. Tashima wrote that there is "no evidence in the record in support of [Jespersen's] contention" that cosmetics can cost hundreds of dollars per year and that applying them requires a significant investment in time.

He further held that Harrah's policy did not run afoul of the 1989 U.S. Supreme Court ruling Price Waterhouse v. Hopkins, 490 U.S. 229, in which a female associate who was perceived as too "macho" successfully challenged her exclusion from an accounting firm's partnership. Tashima wrote that Price Waterhouse "did not address the specific question of whether an employer can impose sex-differentiated appearance and grooming standards on its male and female employees."

In his dissent, Thomas said Jespersen should be able to bring her case to a jury, adding that the decision leaves service workers unprotected from discrimination.

"The distinction created by the majority opinion leaves men and women in service industries, who are more likely to be subject to policies like the Harrah's 'Personal Best' policy, without the protection that white-collar professionals receive," Thomas said.

Jespersen's attorney, Jennifer Pizer of the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund in Los Angeles, said the court "erred in a few ways when defining an unequal burden."

"There is a burden in makeup costs. And there's the burden of the message that these female employees are subordinate and unacceptable as workers unless they present an ultra-feminine appearance," Pizer said.

"Male employees must be clean and neat and look professional and women are deemed unprofessional if they are clean and neat, but don't alter their appearance," she said.

Harrah's attorney, Veronica Arechederra Hall of Littler Mendelson's Las Vegas office, referred all questions to Harrah's spokesman Gary Thompson.

Thompson said modified appearance standards requiring makeup are still in place at the casino.

"We implemented these policies in response to requests from customers accustomed to a level of service and a type of appearance," Thompson said. "This is no different from CBS requiring a female or even a male reporter to wear makeup on television."

Jespersen v. Harrah's, 04 C.D.O.S. 11332, attracted numerous amici curiae, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Employment Lawyers Association and the American Hotel & Lodging Association, among others.

Juicey1
01-03-2005, 10:54 AM
....my black ass with no makeup, just lipstick and twist in my hair. They would fire me for sure.

Sounds discrimnitory to me, but it looks as if they have ruled otherwise.

On my job, I don't wear makeup. I just don't have the time to get up every morning and do the facial stuff and put on makeup. I wear makeup when I go somewhere (special) and to church.

HulaSista
01-03-2005, 11:20 AM
Right or wrong, its all optional. If you don't want to do it, you can leave or get fired, or, not apply for the job or accept a job offer.

Now a days companies have you sign so many personel action documents that you can slip and sign that you agree (in the case of Harrah's) to wear makeup and naively loose your right to sue if they fire you for not wearing makeup.

Brightness
01-03-2005, 11:26 AM
Having "appearance standards" isn't a new thing, lots of companies or industries have them. Most of the time they can't be considered discriminatory because you don't have to apply to work there. You agreed to conform to the companies rules & regulations so therefore, you basically signed your rights away so to speak.

Juicey1
01-03-2005, 12:08 PM
This type of rule at any company would make it hard for a woman who is allergic to makeup to get a job.

Then you have some women who in naturally beautiful and don't need or want makeup enhancement.

gammite
01-03-2005, 12:46 PM
Then you have some women who in naturally beautiful and don't need or want makeup enhancement.

not to be funny, but i doubt that these by-laws/rules/actions were enacted for these type of women.

dejavu
01-03-2005, 01:40 PM
She must have been caucasian. Black women are "naturally" beautiful. We can get by with a pair of earrings and some lip gloss. :upretty

sistuhchey
01-03-2005, 08:04 PM
very haggered...and unatractive...her face was plastered on the news...she needed some make-up...no a make-over.....yea she was a keebler...

a lil glam don't hurt nobody...even if it's just lip gloss :upretty

Juicey1
01-04-2005, 05:10 AM
She must have been caucasian. Black women are "naturally" beautiful. We can get by with a pair of earrings and some lip gloss. :upretty

Yes, we is pretty ain't we :upretty ;)

Thats exactly what I have on right now. A pair of earrings and some lipstick......I'm just lovely :upretty

Brightness
01-04-2005, 05:46 AM
I guess I'm just a believer that the majority of women can benefit from a little makeup regardless of their color.

The general problem is when you have bad application or incorrect /unflattering color schemes.

Andre98
01-04-2005, 08:58 AM
very haggered...and unatractive...her face was plastered on the news...she needed some make-up...no a make-over.....yea she was a keebler...

a lil glam don't hurt nobody...even if it's just lip gloss :upretty
That's jusat it...I haven't seen the picture, but I bet that the court's decision lies with having seen the plaintiff too. If she was a prettier woman, would she have been allowed to slip by without a hassle? Would the sense that it is discriminatory carry more weight if she was Black? You never know what the complaining boss harbors in their own biases, be it racial or gender, or even woman to woman. It's always going to start with whoever is immediately over her. That person probably never liked her looks to begin with.

It's true that, like Hula said, they have you sign so much these days, that you sign way reasonable rights. Somebody will always want the job, so the company never goes without as punishment for the more intrusive rules.

But I'm surprised more of the Hush women are not concerned about how this infringes on one's rights and more so with women than men. Starting with your immediate supervisor, you could have someone dictating your hairstyle, including whether the afrocentric twists or short dreds are acceptable. You wear a ceratin shade gloss, if the supervisor wants to fuck with you, can tell you it must be red only.. or those shoes are not appropriate, because they can't afford Jimmy Choos too. No one's a bigger Nazi about employee appearance and conduct than Disneyland and Disney World operations, and I bet they have applicants beating down their door. So i guess it's a sad fact of life that unfair practices can be legal and enforceable..

dejavu
01-04-2005, 09:31 AM
I guess it all depends on who you work for and your working relationship also. Because at my job...they leave me the hell alone. My boss will tell someone in a minute she is working hard enough..no, I won't put anymore on her plate. Far as the make-up thing is concerned I work mainly with caucasians that are just amazed at the appearance of black women in general. The fact that we are strong and really stand strong and have a natural glow about us.

My uncle did a test in school:

2 women one black, one white, both had on make up and their hair done, both in their mid 30's,both women entered a swimming pool and went under a couple of times until the make up was running and there was no more style to their hair, so they just combed it back. They were both given a towel to wipe of any remaiming traces of make-up. The white women seemed to have aged dramtically, with the removal of the makeup, she was pale, she had crowsfeet, dark circles under her eyes and other things. While on the other hand the black women looked same with the exception of not having any color on her lips....her face was flawless and she had a natural glow...the makeup only enhanced what nature gave her.

I say this to say that when we do where makeup it should be done in moderation only to enhance the beauty that we already have.

Juicey1
01-04-2005, 11:13 AM
I guess it all depends on who you work for and your working relationship also. Because at my job...they leave me the hell alone. My boss will tell someone in a minute she is working hard enough..no, I won't put anymore on her plate. Far as the make-up thing is concerned I work mainly with caucasians that are just amazed at the appearance of black women in general. The fact that we are strong and really stand strong and have a natural glow about us.

My uncle did a test in school:

2 women one black, one white, both had on make up and their hair done, both in their mid 30's,both women entered a swimming pool and went under a couple of times until the make up was running and there was no more style to their hair, so they just combed it back. They were both given a towel to wipe of any remaiming traces of make-up. The white women seemed to have aged dramtically, with the removal of the makeup, she was pale, she had crowsfeet, dark circles under her eyes and other things. While on the other hand the black women looked same with the exception of not having any color on her lips....her face was flawless and she had a natural glow...the makeup only enhanced what nature gave her.

I say this to say that when we do where makeup it should be done in moderation only to enhance the beauty that we already have.

Very well put. I agree wholeheartedly.

If my job was to get rid of us because of our hairstyles and lack of makeup and thus forth, there would be a whole lot of women out of a job here.

I had my hair twisted with a rat-tail comb. I took those twist down Saturday night. Now I have a bunch of springy twist standing all over my head. I have on a pair of earrings and some lipstick.......Hell I look cute :upretty

I hate to see black women in a lot of makeup, its just not necessary. My daughters friend used to wear a foundation that made her face look orange. It was not becoming at all.

sistuhchey
01-04-2005, 05:34 PM
goodness...since when does a women not like to powder her nose??