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Pamalicious
08-20-2004, 11:48 AM
Union, Ports Conduct Job Lottery in Calif.

Thu Aug 19, 9:52 PM ET Add Business - AP to My Yahoo!


By ALEX VEIGA, AP Business Writer

LOS ANGELES - Longshore union and port shipping officials sifted through 300,000 applications Thursday submitted as part of a special lottery for 3,000 lucrative temporary dockworker jobs at the nation's largest port complex.


The cattle call for workers — a rare occurrence in the shipping industry — drew an overwhelming response since the union began accepting cards last week. It comes in the wake of a crush of cargo from the Far East, which has created a dire need for more dockworkers at the twin ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach.


"This is by far the largest turnout we've ever had," said Jim McKenna, president and chief executive of the Pacific Maritime Association.


The drawing, conducted under the supervision of five arbitrators, lasted about seven hours, PMA spokesman Steve Sugarman said.


Outside the Port of Los Angeles building where the drawing was taking place, signs told applicants to look on the Internet for results of the drawing. Several police officers were on hand to discourage applicants from gathering, but none had shown up as of midmorning.


Postcards mailed in by jobseekers filled nearly a third of a metal container the size of a small car.


Arbitrator Jan Holmes stepped through a side opening into the large mesh container and scooped up an armful of cards, walking on top of the stack. Several dozen union and shipping company employees sorted them before putting the cards into counting machines.


By midmorning, some 5,000 cards had been sorted. Arbitrators intended to select roughly 8,880 cards and mixed them with an equal amount of cards sent in by workers already affiliated with the port industry.


The final 3,000 were to be randomly hand-picked by arbitrators from a combined pool of roughly 18,000 cards, McKenna said.


"I really hope to get the job, but I know it's a longshot," Freddie Baker, a school bus driver from Los Angeles, said in a telephone interview.


The 40-year-old father of six said he considered mailing in more than one application card to boost his chances in the job lottery, but ultimately only sent one card, fearing he might be disqualified.


"It's an opportunity of a lifetime to get a job making $100,000," said Baker, who now earns about $40,000 a year. "To make that amount of money would be awesome."


The names of the first 300 people selected in the drawing were posted on a PMA Web site Thursday evening. The rest of the successful applicants were to be selected next week, Sugarman said.


McKenna said that cargo volume from the Far East is "still extremely heavy." "Ships aren't unloaded as soon as they get here and we need more people," he added.


The intense competition for the jobs, which pay between $20 and $28 an hour, had some concerned that the drawing would not be conducted fairly.


"They can still go in the back door, they can still do cronyism or nepotism," said Royce Esters, president of the National Association for Equal Justice in America. Esters said individual members of the union had called on his civil rights group to monitor the drawing.


Port and union leadership, however, were confident the process would be legitimate.





"I believe it's very fair and I'm satisfied," said James Espinosa, president of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union.

Officials said they would post the names on the selected cards on a Web site throughout the day.

In 2003, fully registered longshoremen earned an annual average of $89,484, according to a report by the Pacific Maritime Association, which represents shipping companies. The highest-paid 72 percent averaged $106,520 a year, while the 19.1 percent who clocked the most hours were paid an average of $141,058.

Registered longshoremen also receive free health benefits, pension and employer-sponsored 401(k) plan.

Only two other such application drives have been held in the last 20 years. Both times — 1984 and 1997 — more than 20,000 people applied for a chance to make it onto the casual worker roster.

mystkev
08-20-2004, 12:15 PM
I wish I could be a longshoreman, they make some good ass money. I know it takes some time to get in the union (or at least I think that's what I was told), but boy are there some great benefits. I am not surprised by the turnout of this open lottery at all.

Andre98
08-20-2004, 01:50 PM
Who wouldnt want a hundred Gs, but that's some hard work. At least in LA its never in the dead of winter like back East with the wind coming off the water.

GraveDigga
08-21-2004, 10:28 PM
Wit da COL in cali as hi as it is...I don't think $28 an hour would be much...

SouthCaliDiva
08-23-2004, 11:29 AM
Wit da COL in cali as hi as it is...I don't think $28 an hour would be much...

Truth. I make only a few $/hr less than that. My rent of 1-bd in HB is $1,105. Low sq ft houses are going for $300-$400K, so while that salary looks good on paper, after housing and taxes $28/hr isn't much to live/prosper on. If your vehicle is still financed or if you're saving for kids' education, you're hurting even more. We're also paying $1.91-$2.10/gallon for gasoline, which I've heard is as much as $.30-$.50 higher than in other parts of the country.

mystkev
08-23-2004, 02:30 PM
You have to look at the bigger picture, they may be starting out between $20-$28, but they have the potential to make so much more. Not to mention the fact that they are probably making less than that in their current positions.

SouthCaliDiva
08-23-2004, 02:50 PM
True, we must look at the big picture. As an example, the gentleman currently making $40K needs to realize, even if he starts make $100K tomorrow, his standard of living will change very little. He can't go on any spending sprees. The small increase he will realize after taxes will be eaten up by things he should be taking care of now that are going by the wayside. E.g. college savings, medical care, retirement, home repairs, etc.

I see the big picture everyday, $100k in this market means little, especially if you have children.

GraveDigga
08-23-2004, 04:17 PM
You have to look at the bigger picture, they may be starting out between $20-$28, but they have the potential to make so much more. Not to mention the fact that they are probably making less than that in their current positions.

In these situations...laborers, longshoreman, dock workers...mass hiring, is a recipe for "Feast or Famine" and there is no big picture. Once the job is over or when the work load dwindles, those same 3000 or so will be back at square one...that's how the labor pool works...that's why I started my own...

ice-c
08-24-2004, 09:54 AM
True, we must look at the big picture. As an example, the gentleman currently making $40K needs to realize, even if he starts make $100K tomorrow, his standard of living will change very little. He can't go on any spending sprees. The small increase he will realize after taxes will be eaten up by things he should be taking care of now that are going by the wayside. E.g. college savings, medical care, retirement, home repairs, etc.

I see the big picture everyday, $100k in this market means little, especially if you have children.
why the assumption that he won't do what is prudent with his own money?

and i am confused by your notion that 100k a year is not decent money.

it's decent in any area of this country.....

i can't think of one area that 100k is pocket change......except for maybe TOKYO....and even there...it's live-able.

SouthCaliDiva
08-24-2004, 10:06 AM
why the assumption that he won't do what is prudent with his own money?

and i am confused by your notion that 100k a year is not decent money.

it's decent in any area of this country.....

i can't think of one area that 100k is pocket change......except for maybe TOKYO....and even there...it's live-able.

I didn't say he WOULDN'T do what is prudent. I'm saying that once taxes are deducted, he takes care of any outstanding debt, and he STARTS to do the prudent things that have been put off, his standard of living will change little, if at all. For instance, he would not automatically be able to start eating out, buy new clothes, travel, get a new TV etc as many people would assume.

Also, the situation I'm referring to is here in Southern Cali, which is where the job lottery is taking place. Here, where shacks start at $300K and state taxes for someone with my measly salary is 9-10%, $100k in salary doesn't go nearly as far as many people expect, ESPECIALLY for the gentleman in the example I was referring to who has SIX children.

Now, if I lived in Baton Rouge or Lake Charles, LA with my family, I'd be sitting pretty with $100K, even if I was carrying a bit of debt. Or even in a larger city like Houston, where I can get VERY decent housing for $125-$150K and there are no state income taxes. But, the article WAS talking about Southern Cali.

ice-c
08-24-2004, 10:12 AM
but u state the obvious.

i just got a lil confused like he was saying that he would go out and up his standard of living...like he was saying that he would start eating out....buying clothes.......

he didnt say that.

u did.

and so u assume the worst OR...u assume that we do not know that THAT is not wise to do.


and as far as salaries are concerned...you know good and t well that there aren't near as many 100k opportunities in LOUISIANA.....

and if you are makin 50k doing secretarial work in cali....that that will translate to 25-35k in Lousiana....


but back to the example at hand...obviously a person that is coming UP from makin 40k to 100k....and has been able to survive on 40k.....

methinks that he will survive on 100k.

ice-c
08-24-2004, 10:16 AM
....i actually just read it a lil bit....

it didnt say that HE was from CALI....

did it?

he could be from LOUISIANA.....

SouthCaliDiva
08-24-2004, 10:43 AM
Okay, you're absolutely right. I couldn't possibly know anything about the cost of living here. I don't know what I was thinking.

ice-c
08-24-2004, 12:32 PM
my reference was not about the cost of living THERE....
as your facetiousness comes through loud and clear.


lol...resorting to THAT as a cop out on a ....discussion.


i used to do that too....




















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