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[naturegirl]

Hi Everyone

If you want advice on weaves and extensions or info on my company contact me via email. If you want to debate the politics of weaves and extensions, post away...

Elaine

[Joi :)]

:) :D ..................................

[naturegirl]

:) :D ..................................

Hi Joi:

Not sure what to make of your post.... clarify....
THX
Elaine.

[ice-c]

Hi Joi:

Not sure what to make of your post.... clarify....
THX
Elaine.
the normal way to slip in a type of solicitation is to mix and mingle....answer some posts...

THEN slip in what it is you do....

but

it WILL be good to get another perspective on the natural vs relaxed DEBATE.

[ice-c]

ok...i did just click on your website...

if i were u ...i'd get permission from the board OWNER before soliciting.....if that is what u r doing.

if all u r doing is trying to provide information....u should be more creative.

[naturegirl]

Thanks for the feedback ICE but , yes, I am legitimately trying to be a source of information and I use the existence of my company to help legitimize my positions - I know what I'm talking about on this subject ...

I will take your advise and contact the board owners. However, as to being more creative, I would disagree - I'm not running a game here. I'm all for open honest communication on this subject and I want the members if this board to know that they can email me, either directly, or through the board for advise when they need it - irrespective of if they buy from me or not. I have many such 'conversations' with women all over the world.

Thanks again for your feedback.

Elaine

[Brightness]

. . .I knew the "post police" would be in here. . .and he didn't disappoint me

:cry: :D :cry:

[sistuhchey]

My stylist ......orders from Bohemian...out of NY York...she currently working...on customzing ,me a cap for my big....head.....however, good luck in your business...but as the post police...stated...eye'ssssss...think you need permission....lol, lol

[ice-c]

what i meant by be creative was for you to...

ask a question....or something...

the way u r doing it....straight forward....well...

if it was me ...i would have said

"hey hush....what are the myths that you have heard concerning weaves"

then in that conversation ...i would have proven myself an authority on the subject...

AND

i may even learn a lil bit from some of the hush ladies already here....they DO know quite a bit on the topic of hair.

OR

if you really wanted to endear yourself here...i would have hit the search button...and bumped up some of the conversations we have already had on this topic....doing that...you would have seen the ...um....passion in which THAT topic...takes place.

[zuriyahe]

Thanks for the feedback ICE but , yes, I am legitimately trying to be a source of information and I use the existence of my company to help legitimize my positions - I know what I'm talking about on this subject ...

I will take your advise and contact the board owners. However, as to being more creative, I would disagree - I'm not running a game here. I'm all for open honest communication on this subject and I want the members if this board to know that they can email me, either directly, or through the board for advise when they need it - irrespective of if they buy from me or not. I have many such 'conversations' with women all over the world.

Thanks again for your feedback.

Elaine
Naturegirl,

How ya doing?!?!?!?

So this is your own business?

COOL!.

There is nothing I would rather see than a sistah/brotha with her own business.
I wish you much success and support...just as I do with "Tee Twilights".

As for this political BS....

Maybe there is some protocol to go by, but if you have haircare experience to share, then I am all ears...because in our community...hair is a big thing.

Remember that the owner of this board is named "ADMIN"...anybody else is just giving you their opinions.

[ice-c]

zuri...
i can't wait to meet u in person...

[MR REMI RED]

Remember that the owner of this board is named "ADMIN"...anybody else is just giving you their opinions.
zuri...
i can't wait to meet u in person...


bahhahahahahhah !!!!!!!!!!! :upto:

can just lemme know when this meeting will be ....it would be a NICE HUSH BROTHABEATINGMEETING!!! :beating

[zuriyahe]

zuri...
i can't wait to meet u in person...

Why? You commin' to California? :D

[naturegirl]

Thanks for the advice Guys - wasn't looking for a battle though. We have enough of that in the world.... Just offering some help...

As I said, I'll definitely email the ADMIN about the issue and refrain from posting until I get permission to do so....

To Zuriyahe:

Thanks for the words of support. We are a group of Black and Latino women who got sick of people who know nothing about 'our' hair selling us products and services that don't work. It was, as we perceive it, a reaction to a problem and it's why it so important to all of us that Nature Girl is proactive with the dissemination of real information as well as being a source of quality products.

It's a goal for us that is as important as the products we sell. When I see a women walking around with some awful hair on her head (spending insane amounts of money!!) or her tracks showing - that tells me she does not know about her options. Of which, there are many, some very affordable and that key piece of information has not reached her world yet...

Thanks again everyone and I'll post again if I get permission to do so.
Elaine

[zuriyahe]

bahhahahahahhah !!!!!!!!!!! :upto:

can just lemme know when this meeting will be ....it would be a NICE HUSH BROTHABEATINGMEETING!!! :beating

Yay!

I'll bring my popcorn and diet A&W!

I love to sit back and watch some good entertainment.

The Hush "Rent a cop" vs ?????

[Joi :)]

naturegirl, i like brite knew this post would bring out the police. I just know how the hush is...and at the time I didn't want to bring any negativity to your post. Thats all.

[naturegirl]

Seems I struck a cord - but all has been resolved and I've been officially welcomed into the fold. Thanks for not trying to bring any negativity to the situation. I'm so not about that - personally or professionally.

I just want to share and learn with the group. A lot of my girls who get ridiculed about this subject just need a little honest info to avoid the fashion 'faux pa'' that is a bad weave... And it is avoidable!

Thank again,
Elaine

[Tastey]

See Ice, you will soon learn that being the Hush police is a thankless job.

Although you have a point that this post, and the ones from several months ago are spam and clearly against the Hush rules you know folks around here don't give a damn about rules.

That's why chaos will always reign supreme on the Hush. lol :p

Ignore it and move on man.

[zuriyahe]

Thanks for the advice Guys - wasn't looking for a battle though. We have enough of that in the world.... Just offering some help...

As I said, I'll definitely email the ADMIN about the issue and refrain from posting until I get permission to do so....

To Zuriyahe:

Thanks for the words of support. We are a group of Black and Latino women who got sick of people who know nothing about 'our' hair selling us products and services that don't work. It was, as we perceive it, a reaction to a problem and it's why it so important to all of us that Nature Girl is proactive with the dissemination of real information as well as being a source of quality products.




Come one come all! I am sure that plenty of folks would like to hear your feedback on hair. And, of course, if you have opinions on the other things going on here...like on entertainment, techie stuff (my favorite), Sex, love etc...

Please chime in! :D

[ice-c]

i'm not really worried about what folks think with regard to protecting the integrity of the hush.

once upon a time ...i was a moderator... i was demoted.

but my old hat still hangs in my office.

[zuriyahe]

i'm not really worried about what folks think with regard to protecting the integrity of the hush.

once upon a time ...i was a moderator... i was demoted.

but my old hat still hangs in my office.

Protect the integrity of the hush, huh?

Sounds pretty foo foo-ish to me.

I hope that someone defines what "integrity" we are trying to protect...lol

[ice-c]

Protect the integrity of the hush, huh?

Sounds pretty foo foo-ish to me.

I hope that someone defines what "integrity" we are trying to protect...lol
if u have to ask...

u, once again...just have no clue.

i pray that you are just joking in your cluelessness.

[zuriyahe]

if u have to ask...

u, once again...just have no clue.

i pray that you are just joking in your cluelessness.

Well, if I must tell you...

Yes...I am quite clueless.

Because when I hear you use the word intregity....

The first thing that comes to mind is your STUPID multiple pregnant Sinnah stunts.

And then your multiple name changes...and when everybody knew who you were, you still spoke of your past names...like they were different people. It's kinda like the old thought that "If you close your eyes really tight...no one else will see you"....lol

So yes...I am clueless...I am clueless as to how you can even understand what "intregrity" is.

[naturegirl]

I think the 'integrity' comment is unfair too.

Believe me when I tell you - women need this information!!!! I'm active on another board and one of my clients has started, a 'blast' list for the companies that are taking advantage of people.

Because of my position people are skeptical when I say another company is robbing them! But it's so true. These companies are out here pushing hair that looks good when it arrives but get a drop of water on it and it looks like it came off the ass-end of a camel - these are expensive lies (both emotionally and monetarily) these companies are telling! It makes me sick...

This industry is extremely fragmented. There are no 'watch dogs' that go to these companies and say 'that's false advertising, you can't say that". And the
culture of silence, shame and privacy that normally surrounds this subject usually means they can get away with it. As, I've mentioned before I had one client who spent $2000 on the method and $600 on the hair. When she complained that she felt like she had a $2600 mop glued to her head - because the hair matted up and
the glue felt 'chunky' - they told her get used to it or for another $250 they would take it out! That's appalling!

We've all probably spent another mortgage over the years on hair and methods that did not stand up to the claims. No other industry would tolerate such consistent and egregious corporate irresponsibility.

In the end of the day I would LOVE to 'out' these people who take advantage of the culture of silence and replace their rhetoric with real information.

That was to point of starting this thread...


Elaine

[ice-c]

Well, if I must tell you...

Yes...I am quite clueless.



this said it all.

[ice-c]

nature...

integrity refers to maintaining the rules and standards of the hush...set by the hush administrator/owner.

integrity is defined by the administrator.

but because he can not be on line all the time....it is up to the members of the hush to maintain integrity...to enforce the rules from time to time.

i love this topic...

please do carry on.

[zuriyahe]

this said it all.

Well, then...we are in agreement!

Oh...by the way...you forgot this:

Well, if I must tell you...

Yes...I am quite clueless.

Because when I hear you use the word intregity....

The first thing that comes to mind is your STUPID multiple pregnant Sinnah stunts.

And then your multiple name changes...and when everybody knew who you were, you still spoke of your past names...like they were different people. It's kinda like the old thought that "If you close your eyes really tight...no one else will see you"....lol

So yes...I am clueless...I am clueless as to how you can even understand what "intregrity" is.

[zuriyahe]

integrity refers to maintaining the rules and standards of the hush...set by the hush administrator/owner.

integrity is defined by the administrator.

but because he can not be on line all the time....it is up to the members of the hush to maintain integrity...to enforce the rules from time to time.



Rules...without intelligence...is quite a humorous thing...

Thanks for the entertainment, Ice Que

[Tastey]

I really wanted to stay out of this because Lawd knows the last person I should be defending is Ice C but Zuri...you seriously need to check yourself.

The integrity of the Hush and any members PERSONAL integrity are two totally and completely different things.

Just because you feel a member lacks integrity does not mean that the rules set forth by the Admin of the Hush should be ignored.

This woman's post was SPAM. Plain and simple. She came here to make money.
Not to be a part of the community but to promote HER OWN SITE. Her post was CLEARLY self- serving.

Now maybe you personally have no issue with that. But the rules of the Hush say that is not allowed. If you encourage her then you have to allow ANYONE with self serving motives to post.

Now I also know that you think "So what let Admin handle it." but the point is he can't be everywhere and he doesn't read every post.

At one time he had moderators to help with that. And what usually happened was a moderator would step in and then the "Hush revolutionaries" much like yourself would brow beat the moderators for saying anything.

So the moderators stepped back and said "fugg it".

Then a situation went down with a sig that Admin didn't like, he fixed it, shut down sigs for awhile and took over the reins for himself.

The problem was the ANTI moderators like yourself who don't want to be moderated at all.

So as I said earlier. Chaos will continue to reign supreme on the Hush because the rules are ignored and because no matter what the topic when a person no longer has a POINT they get personal.

But this post was SPAM, it was against the rules, and to take exception with someone pointing that out is WRONG.

If you choose to ignore the wrong go right ahead. That is your right and your choice.

But don't you dare have the gall to think that you can decide that everyone else has to ignore it too.

[ice-c]

thanks, tas...

i'm hoping that the clue-bird has landed squarely on zuri's shoulders.

i just don't have the time or energy...to fight with zuri on something so very very simple....while he dredges up past events that he still doesnt understand. i just understand and accept that he will never understand...that understanding is beyond him.

[naturegirl]

I've already explained my intensions and goals and it's seems to have fallen on deaf ears - Tasty's comments are offensive. There are many women who can vouch for my personal interest in this struggle . "This woman" will take this fight up elsewhere. If anyone wants some info on the subject check us out on Black Hair Media or email us directly.

Elaine

[zuriyahe]

I really wanted to stay out of this because Lawd knows the last person I should be defending is Ice C but Zuri...you seriously need to check yourself.

The integrity of the Hush and any members PERSONAL integrity are two totally and completely different things.

Just because you feel a member lacks integrity does not mean that the rules set forth by the Admin of the Hush should be ignored.

This woman's post was SPAM. Plain and simple. She came here to make money.
Not to be a part of the community but to promote HER OWN SITE. Her post was CLEARLY self- serving.

Now maybe you personally have no issue with that. But the rules of the Hush say that is not allowed. If you encourage her then you have to allow ANYONE with self serving motives to post.

Now I also know that you think "So what let Admin handle it." but the point is he can't be everywhere and he doesn't read every post.

At one time he had moderators to help with that. And what usually happened was a moderator would step in and then the "Hush revolutionaries" much like yourself would brow beat the moderators for saying anything.

So the moderators stepped back and said "fugg it".

Then a situation went down with a sig that Admin didn't like, he fixed it, shut down sigs for awhile and took over the reins for himself.

The problem was the ANTI moderators like yourself who don't want to be moderated at all.

So as I said earlier. Chaos will continue to reign supreme on the Hush because the rules are ignored and because no matter what the topic when a person no longer has a POINT they get personal.

But this post was SPAM, it was against the rules, and to take exception with someone pointing that out is WRONG.

If you choose to ignore the wrong go right ahead. That is your right and your choice.

But don't you dare have the gall to think that you can decide that everyone else has to ignore it too.

Interesting...

We cannot have Hush intregity...without personal intregity. That, in itself, is a simple concept.

[zuriyahe]

thanks, tas...

i'm hoping that the clue-bird has landed squarely on zuri's shoulders.

i just don't have the time or energy...to fight with zuri on something so very very simple....while he dredges up past events that he still doesnt understand. i just understand and accept that he will never understand...that understanding is beyond him.

Keep on using that "I ain't got a clue" baloney...

If it makes ya feel big...

http://www.cursoarte.hpg.ig.com.br/aulas/imagens/napoleon.jpg

[zuriyahe]

I've already explained my intensions and goals and it's seems to have fallen on deaf ears - Tasty's comments are offensive. There are many women who can vouch for my personal interest in this struggle . "This woman" will take this fight up elsewhere. If anyone wants some info on the subject check us out on Black Hair Media or email us directly.

Elaine

Horay! Another MINORITY BUSINESS...shot down by our own.

The white man must be gleeming right about now...

[Tastey]

I've already explained my intensions and goals and it's seems to have fallen on deaf ears - Tasty's comments are offensive. There are many women who can vouch for my personal interest in this struggle . "This woman" will take this fight up elsewhere. If anyone wants some info on the subject check us out on Black Hair Media or email us directly.

Elaine


Your post was SPAM you know that and I know that. You already posted that Admin told you that so why are you so offended that I agree with him?

I never said you don't have a personal interest in it. Generally businesses with a personal interest fair much better than those we are not personally involved in.

But you joined the Hush to promote your business. I don't agree with that and it's against the Hush rules.

So take your "fight" up anywhere you choose.

Zuri,
This business was not shot down by anybody but the woman herself. The SPAM was.

I don't care how black or minority you are the "no soliciting sign" is clearly posted.

If the only way your business can survive is to go against that then maybe you need to step back and reevaluate your business plan.

[MR REMI RED]

yet again ....
I 'd like to say that this is some DESCENT drama ..,, it aint the best ,,, but its good INTELLECTUAL DRAMA...

all with out me in the middle of it !......

:beating

[Tettsuo]

Hi Everyone

My name is Elaine Allen and I wanted to re-introduce myself....

I'm fairly new to the forum and would like to become a trusted source for honest information about top-quality hair for weaving and extensions. I have a company in Spain called Nature Girl and we offer hair for weaving and extensions - our specialty is curly and kinky hair. But we also offer sound advise. Check out our website: http://www.naturegirl.net/

More importantly, however, we're trying make available straightforward, honest information about both buying hair and the techniques we use for installation. So many of us have spent a small fortune on hair, products and methods that did not hold up to the claims - we want to put an end to that!

My mother used to look at a gorgeous women in a bad weave and say, "Looked like that pretty girl ran up under that thing!" Well, I'm here to tell you that it doesn't have to be that way....

As our website says, we want to keep you looking naturally beautiful!

So, let's talk about it......

Elaine
Since I'm against the use of weave and extensions in general, I find this advertisement insulting. To me, the entire fake-ass hair thing is way past it's prime. People of color should be trying to head in a more natural direction, not be better at getting ourselves more like whites. How about simply accepting what you are and what you have? Wouldn't that be preferable?

[naturegirl]

Since I'm against the use of weave and extensions in general, I find this advertisement insulting. To me, the entire fake-ass hair thing is way past it's prime. People of color should be trying to head in a more natural direction, not be better at getting ourselves more like whites. How about simply accepting what you are and what you have? Wouldn't that be preferable?

This is a sociologically complex issue and I understand that - but these kinds of blanket condemnations send me up the wall! Who are you to determine the cultural significance of a fashion choice for anyone but yourself? Whether you wear a dashiki or are ghetto glam, whether you wear your hair relaxed or in locks, one does not win you more “black power points” over the other. Indeed, the struggle and challenges are the same regardless of your choice of adornment - our skin color will see to that. The fact that we judge each other on such an insignificant level further erodes our ability to communicate with each other and unite.

Moreover, hair is a fundamentally human preoccupation that literally can be found in all cultures. I have Swedish girls who buy kinky hair from me and white girls with short hair who don’t want to wait for their hair to grow – no one accuses them of not accepting themselves.

You don’t have to politicise what are ultimately fashion choices. Quite the contrary, the real politics get played out in the calibre of person you are and the integrity with which you deal with others… One of the greatest shows of respect you can give your culture.

Take the blinkers off....

[HulaSista]

Moreover, hair is a fundamentally human preoccupation that literally can be found in all cultures. I have Swedish girls who buy kinky hair from me and white girls with short hair who don’t want to wait for their hair to grow – no one accuses them of not accepting themselves.

You don’t have to politicise what are ultimately fashion choices. Quite the contrary, the real politics get played out in the calibre of person you are and the integrity with which you deal with others… One of the greatest shows of respect you can give your culture.

Take the blinkers off....


okay... see... i just asked a few questions in lovely's thread that sorta speaks on this...

[ice-c]

This is a sociologically complex issue and I understand that - but these kinds of blanket condemnations send me up the wall! Who are you to determine the cultural significance of a fashion choice for anyone but yourself? Whether you wear a dashiki or are ghetto glam, whether you wear your hair relaxed or in locks, one does not win you more “black power points” over the other. Indeed, the struggle and challenges are the same regardless of your choice of adornment - our skin color will see to that. The fact that we judge each other on such an insignificant level further erodes our ability to communicate with each other and unite.

Moreover, hair is a fundamentally human preoccupation that literally can be found in all cultures. I have Swedish girls who buy kinky hair from me and white girls with short hair who don’t want to wait for their hair to grow – no one accuses them of not accepting themselves.

You don’t have to politicise what are ultimately fashion choices. Quite the contrary, the real politics get played out in the calibre of person you are and the integrity with which you deal with others… One of the greatest shows of respect you can give your culture.

Take the blinkers off....
this is good stuff....

nature...please know that the DEBATE is ALL GOOD....

[sistuhchey]

This is a sociologically complex issue and I understand that - but these kinds of blanket condemnations send me up the wall! Who are you to determine the cultural significance of a fashion choice for anyone but yourself? Whether you wear a dashiki or are ghetto glam, whether you wear your hair relaxed or in locks, one does not win you more “black power points” over the other. Indeed, the struggle and challenges are the same regardless of your choice of adornment - our skin color will see to that. The fact that we judge each other on such an insignificant level further erodes our ability to communicate with each other and unite.

You don’t have to politicise what are ultimately fashion choices. Quite the contrary, the real politics get played out in the calibre of person you are and the integrity with which you deal with others… One of the greatest shows of respect you can give your culture.

Take the blinkers off....



go on gurlllllllll!!!...i ain't mad at cha!!!..."Black Power Points"...yesssss..she said it......lol,lol,lol

then she said the "Real Politics"...Calibre of person you are........wellllllll....can i get a "AMEN"......

over all the site was cool...but there is protocol..and rules.....and nature girl...if I may interject... :upretty .. I'm assuming you didn't...read terms and conditions...for most sites do have them....

may I extend a olive branch...and welcome you to the hush...you may find it refreshing...and very real........I believe it's Sea's signature that states...Fuck,Fight,Fuss...and we do that here!!!...lol,lol

However...our group is a very "OPINIONATED" group....and we all offer our on lil twist to the hush......and we're very protective of it...lol, lol.......yesssss...it's Admin's site his rules...but our board...our topics..our fights, our love, our home on the net.....

so once again......congrats...on your business....and if your not too offended; stay around and post.....kid gloves are seldom worn...and you seem to handle your own...quite well....

But I am curious...with a name and business called NatureGirl...specializing...in weaved hair???.....interesting......when i think of Nature...I think of "The Bush"..the motherland...holistic, natural, herbs and such??? :upretty

[ice-c]

nature was here last year at about this time...with a similiar post....she knew back then.......

[Tettsuo]

This is a sociologically complex issue and I understand that - but these kinds of blanket condemnations send me up the wall! Who are you to determine the cultural significance of a fashion choice for anyone but yourself? Whether you wear a dashiki or are ghetto glam, whether you wear your hair relaxed or in locks, one does not win you more “black power points” over the other. Indeed, the struggle and challenges are the same regardless of your choice of adornment - our skin color will see to that. The fact that we judge each other on such an insignificant level further erodes our ability to communicate with each other and unite.

Moreover, hair is a fundamentally human preoccupation that literally can be found in all cultures. I have Swedish girls who buy kinky hair from me and white girls with short hair who don’t want to wait for their hair to grow – no one accuses them of not accepting themselves.

You don’t have to politicise what are ultimately fashion choices. Quite the contrary, the real politics get played out in the calibre of person you are and the integrity with which you deal with others… One of the greatest shows of respect you can give your culture.

Take the blinkers off....
Here's are a few simple questions for you to think about.

Why is nappy hair a bad thing? Why does so many women of color require themselves to get their hair "done" to avoid it being in it's natural state? Why is good hair equated with straight hair?

We, as people of color, are not ready to call it a style, when we are ashamed to have it in it's nature state. Styles are transitory. They come and go with the seasons. It is no longer a style when it can only be one way, or it's seen as unattractive. Go back as far as you like. Try to remember a time when women of color didn't burn their hair down to make it like Sally's. That is not a style. That's the effect of self-hatred still lingering in our community.

I don't have the "blinkers" on. Since I'm assuming you mean blinders, I'll say it's you who has the blinders on.

[zuriyahe]

Since I'm against the use of weave and extensions in general, I find this advertisement insulting. To me, the entire fake-ass hair thing is way past it's prime. People of color should be trying to head in a more natural direction, not be better at getting ourselves more like whites. How about simply accepting what you are and what you have? Wouldn't that be preferable?

I actually see some validity in the whole extension VS Natural hair debate...

Not sure if we should be insulted by it....because we all seem to want to "inhance" ourselves one way or another...whether it is by hair color, wigs, tanning perms etc...ding dong extensions...

I mean...even egyptians wore fake hair (wigs)...

I think that folks should be comfortable in doing whatever they feel comfortable in doing.

And I am sure that plenty of folks around here are wearing extensions...:D

[naturegirl]

Here's are a few simple questions for you to think about.

Why is nappy hair a bad thing? Why does so many women of color require themselves to get their hair "done" to avoid it being in it's natural state? Why is good hair equated with straight hair?

We, as people of color, are not ready to call it a style, when we are ashamed to have it in it's nature state. Styles are transitory. They come and go with the seasons. It is no longer a style when it can only be one way, or it's seen as unattractive. Go back as far as you like. Try to remember a time when women of color didn't burn their hair down to make it like Sally's. That is not a style. That's the effect of self-hatred still lingering in our community.

I don't have the "blinkers" on. Since I'm assuming you mean blinders, I'll say it's you who has the blinders on.

I think that's a massive over simplifications of a very complex sociological and anthropological issue.

First of all being a minority in American is tough. Jews struggle with their noses, Asians struggle with their height, Indians struggle with being too dark - the list is endless. The struggle to love the self is an unavoidable consequence of being in America for any ethnic group.
And that includes us - especially having lacked, as a group, a common cultural underpinning into which they could look to find a point of reference for cultural definitions.

So, sans language, which is the "speech of the people" and an enormous factor in defining a culture, we, Black Americans, managed to create a rich and unique culture the likes of which the world had never seen. Has it cost us, yes, but we've done it and continue to do it and to reduce it as an achievement because of a fashion choice is stupid.

Indeed, the fact that never before in our history have so many black women had the freedom to choose the hair style they wanted speaks to the ever-changing and evolving landscape that is Black American culture. You can walk around any major metropolitan city and you'll see women with locks, afros, relaxed hair and weaves - and that's how it should be. Why should women have to carry the politics of our culture on our heads! Moreover, and again, the battle is not played or won in that arena.

Finally I meant what I said: To lead a "blinkered" existence is, as defined by Webster's "Unable or unwilling to understand anything outside of a very narrow range".....

Elaine

PS: sistuhchey: The name "Nature Girl" came from the fact that I wanted help my clients to look natural in their choice to wear a weave or extension and provide them with hair textures for blending that worked to that end. Thanks for the olive branch Sis...

[Tettsuo]

I think that's a massive over simplifications of a very complex sociological and anthropological issue.

First of all being a minority in American is tough. Jews struggle with their noses, Asians struggle with their height, Indians struggle with being too dark - the list is endless. The struggle to love the self is an unavoidable consequence of being in America for any ethnic group.
And that includes us - especially having lacked, as a group, a common cultural underpinning into which they could look to find a point of reference for cultural definitions.

So, sans language, which is the "speech of the people" and an enormous factor in defining a culture, we, Black Americans, managed to create a rich and unique culture the likes of which the world had never seen. Has it cost us, yes, but we've done it and continue to do it and to reduce it as an achievement because of a fashion choice is stupid.

Indeed, the fact that never before in our history have so many black women had the freedom to choose the hair style they wanted speaks to the ever-changing and evolving landscape that is Black American culture. You can walk around any major metropolitan city and you'll see women with locks, afros, relaxed hair and weaves - and that's how it should be. Why should women have to carry the politics of our culture on our heads! Moreover, and again, the battle is not played or won in that arena.

Finally I meant what I said: To lead a "blinkered" existence is, as defined by Webster's "Unable or unwilling to understand anything outside of a very narrow range".....

Elaine

Very insightful commentary that still ducks the questions I posed. Most of the black women I see have straightened hair, still see nappy hair as bad and call straight hair "Good hair". I'm sure you know your history. I'm sure you know how black people strived to be more and more like whites. I'm sure you also know the products that were out to lighten our skin and straighten our hair. We still straighten our hair with those types of products (milder and less harmful than the original incarnations). If we are still doing something that is reflective of self-hatred, how can you say that today we do it for style if the same beliefs are in place?

To find an answer to a question or a solution to a problem, you do not look at complexity, you look for the simplicity. I did not oversimply anything, I attempted to look at the root of the problem. We are still at the point where we have problems accepting nappy hair as attractive. If "attractive" is straight hair then we are not ready as a people to view it as a style of any sort.

You brought up culture, yet I don't see how this is reflective of our culture. Also, to be honest, some of these "cultural" beliefs need to be eliminated not reinforced.

As for making a political statement, I'm not suggesting you do. I'm suggesting you make a statement for our children that see us burn our hair to look like whites. They look at TV and see all the "attractive" women with straighten hair. Is it diffcult to grasp the concept that they would eventually see the natural state of their hair as unattractive? That's not a politican statement, it's empowering our youth with self-love. If teaching our youth to see themselves as beautiful is a political statement, then yes, you need to wear your politics on your head.

[swtjamaica]

Very insightful commentary that still ducks the questions I posed. Most of the black women I see have straightened hair, still see nappy hair as bad and call straight hair "Good hair". I'm sure you know your history. I'm sure you know how black people strived to be more and more like whites. I'm sure you also know the products that were out to lighten our skin and straighten our hair. We still straighten our hair with those types of products (milder and less harmful than the original incarnations). If we are still doing something that is reflective of self-hatred, how can you say that today we do it for style if the same beliefs are in place?

To find an answer to a question or a solution to a problem, you do not look at complexity, you look for the simplicity. I did not oversimply anything, I attempted to look at the root of the problem. We are still at the point where we have problems accepting nappy hair as attractive. If "attractive" is straight hair then we are not ready as a people to view it as a style of any sort.

You brought up culture, yet I don't see how this is reflective of our culture. Also, to be honest, some of these "cultural" beliefs need to be eliminated not reinforced.

As for making a political statement, I'm not suggesting you do. I'm suggesting you make a statement for our children that see us burn our hair to look like whites. They look at TV and see all the "attractive" women with straighten hair. Is it diffcult to grasp the concept that they would eventually see the natural state of their hair as unattractive? That's not a politican statement, it's empowering our youth with self-love. If teaching our youth to see themselves as beautiful is a political statement, then yes, you need to wear your politics on your head.

...the individuals that you mentioned who felt like straight hair was "good" hair are probably the ones with deep seeded issues from childhood, where they were taught that nappy hair was "bad" hair...in my opinion, HEALTHY hair, be it short or long, nappy or straight, or in between is good hair...CHOICE is what dominates most women's choice to perm, as well as the environment they live and work in...i know from PERSONAL experience that not all of corporate amerikkka is open to black women who wear their hair in their napturality...SOME women are barinwashed into thinking that natural hair is ugly...SOME women like to switch back and forth for the VERSATILITY of being able to do something different...bottom line, whether or not they are straight or natural, it is THEIR CHOICE, and it DOES NOT make one more or less black to be natural or straight...have you ever considered that SOME women's natural hair is more difficult to maintain and manage in its most natural state??? have you even considered that as the old adage says, BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER?? i mean really, women are conditioned to believe that being a size 8 or 6 or smaller is beautiful...but the larger women who are confident and don't struggle with esteem issues feel like they are beautiful in their size 18 plus frames...so what's the difference?? if YOU choose not to dig women with straight hair, it shouldn't give you the AUTHORITY to accuse those women for assimilating...maybe they enjoy what they see as CONVENIENCE of being permed straight....let it go...folks will ALWAYS make their OWN decisions...by the way, extensions HELP sistas who are going from straight to natural make the transition...it is a helpful tool...stop being so judgmental, 'kay???

[HulaSista]

it always been apparent to ME... that... we improve on ourselves, in part, to attract the opposite sex. totally biological because we're trying to attract the best looking mate possible so that we can have the healthiest and best looking offsprings. i'm sure tett, you agree, that, that can't be done if women are using fake hair to enhance their looks, however, neither have black men, in general, gotten rid of their own prejudice against black women and their kinky hair, inspite of the fact that they have the dna to pass it on to their daughters! lol... i can't speak for blacks raised in africa or other parts of the diaspora, but, in my life time of experience, uh, many men like and/or dont mind the fake hair or the apperance of good hair. i even think there are some that lie that they like women who wear their hair in natural states but secretly select women with the so called 'good hair' look or fake hair. i think this whole hair issue is the responsibility of both sexes in each respective way.

[Tettsuo]

Hair Straighteners
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has received complaints about scalp irritation and hair breakage related to both lye and "no lye" hair relaxers. Some people assume (falsely) that compared to lye relaxers, "no lye" relaxers take all the worry out of straightening. But both types of relaxers contain ingredients that work by breaking chemical bonds of the hair, and both can burn the scalp if used incorrectly. Lye relaxers contain sodium hydroxide as the active ingredient. With "no lye" relaxers, calcium hydroxide and guanidine carbonate are mixed to produce guanidine hydroxide.

Research has shown that this combination in "no lye" relaxers results in less scalp irritation than lye relaxers, but the same safety rules apply for both. They should be used properly, left on no longer than the prescribed time, carefully washed out with neutralizing shampoo, and followed up with regular conditioning. For those who opt to straighten their own hair, it's wise to enlist help simply because not being able to see and reach the top and back of the head makes proper application of the chemical and thorough rinsing more of a challenge.

Some stylists recommend applying a layer of petroleum jelly to the scalp before applying a relaxer because it creates a protective barrier between the chemical and the skin. Scratching, brushing, and combing can make the scalp more susceptible to chemical damage and should be avoided right before using a relaxer. Parents should be especially cautious when applying chemicals to children's hair and should keep relaxers out of children's reach. There have been reports of small children ingesting straightening chemicals and suffering injuries that include burns to the face, tongue, and esophagus.

How often to relax hair is a personal decision that depends in part on the rate of a person's hair growth. Using hair relaxers every six to eight weeks is common, but this may be too often. Relaxers can cause hair breakage in the long term, he says, and blow drying and curling can do more damage. Applying more than one type of chemical treatment, such as coloring hair one week and then relaxing it the next, can increase the risk of hair damage. For those who use relaxers, semi-permanent color is a better choice since these have no ammonia and less peroxide than permanent color products.

Relaxers destroy hair. Nothing in a relaxer promotes healthy hair. So scratch that off your list SWTJ. You speak of women that relaxes their hair as if they are rare. Sorry hun, they are in the vast majority. I go outside and that's all that I see. If you've relaxed your hair for as long as you can remember, then it's not a style anymore.. or it is a style. A lifestyle centered on the distaste for the texture of your nature hair.

I'm not playing the blame game here. I'm not being judgemental. I do not think a woman that relaxes her hair is evil. I do think they are victims of an anglo-centric society. I think they can stop training our youth to follow this pattern of self-hatred by showing them that they are beautiful without destroying their hair to acheive a more white look. I've dated and will probably date a woman that relaxes their hair again. I will also tell them I'd prefer their hair in it's natural state because I'd prefer they have it in that state.

[naturegirl]

Tettsuo, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I agree with both of the previous post. Both of whom presented yet more angles on this issue - it speaks to the complexity of it...

In my opinion yours is an antiquated opinion that looks at the past. It does not take into consideration that people evolve and grow and new ideals get presented that are equally as valid as the ones that came before them. It also fails to recognize that women of all cultures indulge in this and many other kinds of adornment - why is it that we're the self hating ones?

So many of us reduce ourselves to these singular definitions that make everything else antithetical. What you're stating is that women who straighten their hair or wear weaves are eroding, or working against the identity of the culture. That's a pretty heavy statement to make and it's dangerously close to telling another black person that they are not black enough.....

[Tettsuo]

I'm not trying to knock your business Nature (even though it definitely seems like I am). Someone has to make money when there's a market for it. If you didn't do it, some white person that has no knowledge of our type of hair would do it and probably do more damage than good. So on a business sense, I have no problem with you doing it. I do have a problem with black women who use this as a means to look more like white women, and not as simply a style (which seems to be the majority sadly enough).

My ex was from Sri Lanka (country off the coast of India). Her hair is naturally wavy. One night we were going out and she wanted to blow-dry her hair straight. Naturally, I was against it (I knew nothing I say would have mattered. I just wanted to go on record as saying I loved her hair the way it is). After we spoke about it, I understood that she did it not because she wants to be white, but because it's just for style. 90% of the time, she wears it in it's nature state. That to me says she's just styling it. Black women never let their hair be anything but straight. That says to me it's no longer about style as it's never allow to be anything but one particular way and that way is nothing like their actual hair texture.

I'm not trying to say they are less black, I'm saying they are victims of a society that tells them everyday that beauty is this or that. None of those things match what they have. We need to set the standards like we always have done in America. Dress, music and styles have all been set by black views and actions. We need to start setting the views on what is attract as well. If all women of color started growing afros, in about a year or 2, every white girl would be wreaking their hair to get it into an afro. Every white boy would be doing the same.

So to you Naturegirl, I say continue doing what you're doing. I get the sense that you are actually looking out for black women by showing them how to do the weave/extension thing properly to avoid damaging their hair. So on that note, more power to ya.

[HulaSista]

tet... that last post was quite interesting...

[sistuhchey]

it always been apparent to ME... that... we improve on ourselves, in part, to attract the opposite sex. totally biological because we're trying to attract the best looking mate possible so that we can have the healthiest and best looking offsprings.




.....I'm having a problem...with Part B......whoa!!!...to attract the best looking mate possible....so that we can have the healthiest and best looking offsprings...
uuummm...that don't feel or sound quite right too me?? :wolf ..I except...that comment from...maybe..my great grandma....or older sister...who has some color issuses.......but Hula???...please splain...yourself Lucccccccyyyyyy!!!

[sistuhchey]

My ex was from Sri Lanka (country off the coast of India). Her hair is naturally wavy. One night we were going out and she wanted to blow-dry her hair straight.

If all women of color started growing afros, in about a year or 2, every white girl would be wreaking their hair to get it into an afro. Every white boy would be doing the same.




Lol, Lol.....Tett...there is a difference between ..NAPS...lol, lol...and WAVY..lol,lol..ok.....1st let me say...Surely, most black folks...have met or known someone from Sri Lanka...so their waves versus...are Kunta Naps...are sho nuff different....lol,lol......

...and..i disagree with the later comment also....Sistuhs...have been sportin braids(all our lifes)...ummm..before "Bo Derek" in the movie 10..and still wear them today.....beside the (hoochie-non-color-american wanna be black girls...that screw our young brotha's)...I can count the number of white women from the ages 19 - 50.....wearing braids??????.....so that last comment is.....doo-doo...and you know it.....

:upretty

[SouthCaliDiva]

Wow! You guys are deep.

I quit perming my hair around 98-99, then started locing (spelling?) in 2001. Never gave it anywhere near this much thought as to how I appeared to others. Briefly considered what my job would think then quickly dismissed it. (I'm actually much more concerned with the gray.)

Lots of good viewpoints. Excellent debate.

[HulaSista]

.....I'm having a problem...with Part B......whoa!!!...to attract the best looking mate possible....so that we can have the healthiest and best looking offsprings...
uuummm...that don't feel or sound quite right too me?? :wolf ..I except...that comment from...maybe..my great grandma....or older sister...who has some color issuses.......but Hula???...please splain...yourself Lucccccccyyyyyy!!!

lol

that comment was not based on skin color or hair type... it's biological/scientific that each one of us as human organisms do this as a part of our sexual biology and the choice is based on our preference that is cultivated and learned and we decide what it is we want.

for example: one man may find 5'4 and 120lbs dark skin is THE BEST LOOKING mate for HIM where as another man will find something completely different.

with that in mind, and for the sake of this thread, black men share in the responsibility of voicing their preference for women to have fake or straight or good hair as oppose to it being in it's natural state.

get it?

don't ya'll watch pbs? lmao... naw, actually, i remember studying this in school too...

[swtjamaica]

Hair Straighteners


Relaxers destroy hair. Nothing in a relaxer promotes healthy hair. So scratch that off your list SWTJ. You speak of women that relaxes their hair as if they are rare. Sorry hun, they are in the vast majority. I go outside and that's all that I see. If you've relaxed your hair for as long as you can remember, then it's not a style anymore.. or it is a style. A lifestyle centered on the distaste for the texture of your nature hair.

I'm not playing the blame game here. I'm not being judgemental. I do not think a woman that relaxes her hair is evil. I do think they are victims of an anglo-centric society. I think they can stop training our youth to follow this pattern of self-hatred by showing them that they are beautiful without destroying their hair to acheive a more white look. I've dated and will probably date a woman that relaxes their hair again. I will also tell them I'd prefer their hair in it's natural state because I'd prefer they have it in that state.

...EVIL??? women who make a CHOICE to do WHAT THE FUCK THEY WANT to do with their hair are EVIL??? that's like saying all light skinned men who work out to increase their muscle mass is evil!!! the women who perm their hair WANT TO, PERIOD, END OF STORY!!! you going around calling women who do so evil is BULLSHIT!!! hell, folk could go around saying that men who cut their hair is evil...is that fair??? HELL NO IT'S NOT, BECAUSE IT IS YOUR CHOICE!!! and because a woman CHOOSES to perm her hair DOES NOT mean that they hate themselves, i don't know where you get that from!!! no matter how much a black woman perms her hair, SHE WILL NOT LOOK WHITE, NOR WILL SHE RESEMBLE A WHITE WOMAN!!!! YOU seem to be the one who is not confident in who you are, seeing as though you are passing judgment on people who make their own personal choices...that shit is ridiculous!!

[zuriyahe]

Lol! See Tett? Look what you have done to sweet sweet J!

Now Sweet J, Actually, Tett didn't say that women who relax their hair is evil...he DID say or seem to imply that women who do are victims of the ravages of the dominant culture.

Of course, I would only partly agree with him...that how we sometimes do our hair is a product of our media influences. But I would beg to differ that it is just a WHITE vs BLACK thing. I mean, most human beings on this planet DO NOT have curley hair. But that is ok. We do understand that in this country, the media influences are greatly based on euro-based beauty standards...which is actually changing...in favor of including "ethnic" features. But often, dispite the origins of our "hair' issues...it is typically passed down from mother/father to daughter.......

but to me, that is still ok...as long as we decide to make our own choices.

So having said that...I totally understand what sweet J is saying...TODAY, we have to give more consideration that we do what we do because of choice. And I know that no matter how straight or orange sistah's hair look...they will always look "racially Black"...

I can see myself taking a more Tettsuo-ish stance...if sistahs were also:

Thinning lips
lighting skin
changing nose
Having booty reduction surgery... etc...

But...you know....I really do not see many Black folks doing that...

But I do see many non-black sistahs doing the following:

Thickning lips
Thickning butts
Inhancing boobs
Dark-izing skin
Perming their hair to make it CURLY....etc

Heck, recently, asside from Bo Derek (thanks for the reminder, Chey) I am seeing more and more non-blacks with typically black-ish hair styles (corn rows, braids, locks...etc)

So, to me...I think that NOBODY is really satisified with themselves...so maybe it is human nature for us to feel that way?

[sistuhchey]

Heck, recently, asside from Bo Derek (thanks for the reminder, Chey) I am seeing more and more non-blacks with typically black-ish hair styles (corn rows, braids, locks...etc)




where???.....I don't see them in the offices I've been in???....maybe in Berkeley..or in tech land....starbucks, barnes & noble... ..for most part they look like this :upretty :upretty

[Tettsuo]

I do not think a woman that relaxes her hair is evil.
Damn SWTJ... did you read the sentence! LOL!

What's that Saturday Night Live skit where the woman reporter would go off on a topic and later find out that she heard the statement wrong? She'd end it with... "Nevermind.". LOL

[dejavu]

with the rest of the hush family. This is not the proper way in which to "market" your business. We do however support each others endeavors with Kudos and the sort. This site is a family site where we talk to one another about issues and things that we may have question on, that our fellow hush sisters and brothers may have suggestions or answers to. We never use the site to "promote" ourselves. That is a no no...

You could have just introduced yourself to us and then told us a little about you, then if someone wanted to ask you a question it could have been handled differently. i guess I'm just saying that you can't come to Daddy's house and try and play your own games, you gotta follow Daddy's rules and regulations.

side note: as a licensed cosmetologist of 15 years I would never promote a service that would eventually cause my clients to go bald. All of these new fandangled methods: fusion and gluing, cause the hair to come out. the best way to do a weave is by applying tracks onto cornrowed layers or by sewing the hair onto a cap (almost like making a wig). I believe in keeping the hair on your own head healthy.


Hi Everyone

If you want advice on weaves and extensions or info on my company contact me via email. If you want to debate the politics of weaves and extensions, post away...

Elaine

[dejavu]

once you apply a relaxer onto the hair it becomes dead and that is why you have to make sure that hair stays CONDITIONED, CONDITIONED, CONDITIONED, and keep those ends trimmed. always make sure that the hair is never over processed or underprocessed when getting a relaxer, You should only get your new growth touched up. I have heard and seen horror stories of people combing he relaxer through to the ends of someones hair, that hair is already relaxed, you only do that on "virgin" hair, and that is hair that has never been relaxed before.



Hair Straighteners
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has received complaints about scalp irritation and hair breakage related to both lye and "no lye" hair relaxers. Some people assume (falsely) that compared to lye relaxers, "no lye" relaxers take all the worry out of straightening. But both types of relaxers contain ingredients that work by breaking chemical bonds of the hair, and both can burn the scalp if used incorrectly. Lye relaxers contain sodium hydroxide as the active ingredient. With "no lye" relaxers, calcium hydroxide and guanidine carbonate are mixed to produce guanidine hydroxide.

Research has shown that this combination in "no lye" relaxers results in less scalp irritation than lye relaxers, but the same safety rules apply for both. They should be used properly, left on no longer than the prescribed time, carefully washed out with neutralizing shampoo, and followed up with regular conditioning. For those who opt to straighten their own hair, it's wise to enlist help simply because not being able to see and reach the top and back of the head makes proper application of the chemical and thorough rinsing more of a challenge.

Some stylists recommend applying a layer of petroleum jelly to the scalp before applying a relaxer because it creates a protective barrier between the chemical and the skin. Scratching, brushing, and combing can make the scalp more susceptible to chemical damage and should be avoided right before using a relaxer. Parents should be especially cautious when applying chemicals to children's hair and should keep relaxers out of children's reach. There have been reports of small children ingesting straightening chemicals and suffering injuries that include burns to the face, tongue, and esophagus.

How often to relax hair is a personal decision that depends in part on the rate of a person's hair growth. Using hair relaxers every six to eight weeks is common, but this may be too often. Relaxers can cause hair breakage in the long term, he says, and blow drying and curling can do more damage. Applying more than one type of chemical treatment, such as coloring hair one week and then relaxing it the next, can increase the risk of hair damage. For those who use relaxers, semi-permanent color is a better choice since these have no ammonia and less peroxide than permanent color products.

Relaxers destroy hair. Nothing in a relaxer promotes healthy hair. So scratch that off your list SWTJ. You speak of women that relaxes their hair as if they are rare. Sorry hun, they are in the vast majority. I go outside and that's all that I see. If you've relaxed your hair for as long as you can remember, then it's not a style anymore.. or it is a style. A lifestyle centered on the distaste for the texture of your nature hair.

I'm not playing the blame game here. I'm not being judgemental. I do not think a woman that relaxes her hair is evil. I do think they are victims of an anglo-centric society. I think they can stop training our youth to follow this pattern of self-hatred by showing them that they are beautiful without destroying their hair to acheive a more white look. I've dated and will probably date a woman that relaxes their hair again. I will also tell them I'd prefer their hair in it's natural state because I'd prefer they have it in that state.

[swtjamaica]

Damn SWTJ... did you read the sentence! LOL!

What's that Saturday Night Live skit where the woman reporter would go off on a topic and later find out that she heard the statement wrong? She'd end it with... "Nevermind.". LOL

...NEVERMIND!!! :D

[zuriyahe]

where???.....I don't see them in the offices I've been in???....maybe in Berkeley..or in tech land....starbucks, barnes & noble... ..for most part they look like this :upretty :upretty

Now now now....it's happening...slowly...but surely.

[sistuhchey]

lol

that comment was not based on skin color or hair type... it's biological/scientific that each one of us as human organisms do this as a part of our sexual biology and the choice is based on our preference that is cultivated and learned and we decide what it is we want.




since...when do folks...size up the person like that??...in hopes of what they "CHIRREN"...will look like......hell, majority are unplanned pregancies...folks..peepin, and creepin...and got caught up...wasn't much planning to that shit....

Physcial attraction / prefrences is one thing....but when they're attracted sexually...do you really believe they're thinking about their future offspring???

No....they're thinking about fucking...

Folks...on the hush..talk about a sistuh having a banging body...but yet put a paperbag over her head........

I think "young girls" are sitting back.....playing house...and wishing on a star in hopes of prince charming rides up.....but the reality..their are more toads out and about ..then prince charmings...

[Pamalicious]

since...when do folks...size up the person like that??...in hopes of what they "CHIRREN"...will look like......hell, majority are unplanned pregancies...folks..peepin, and creepin...and got caught up...wasn't much planning to that shit....

Physcial attraction / prefrences is one thing....but when they're attracted sexually...do you really believe they're thinking about their future offspring???

No....they're thinking about fucking...

Folks...on the hush..talk about a sistuh having a banging body...but yet put a paperbag over her head........

I think "young girls" are sitting back.....playing house...and wishing on a star in hopes of prince charming rides up.....but the reality..their are more toads out and about ..then prince charmings...

Chey she is not talking about the way it IS - she's talking about the way it's SUPPOSE TO BE and I tend to agree with her. I've watched countless specials on Attraction, procreation etc. etc.. and that actually is the way it was designed to happen. You are suppose to be mating with only those that can ADVANCE your genetic line However, we got this little glitch that separates us from say Lions in that we can have sex for the sole purpose of pleasure.

My mother and alot of other families actually who I know, place a good deal of emphasis on making sure you don't take down their family line with no bullshit and with no ailments or other family history when you get with someone. I have seen families go so far as to even say "why did she get with him now we got THAT nose in the family"

So there are some primal things in us that I'll go so far as to say WE have issues with that other races don't. Black folks got more damn issues because again we come from a place where the word conform means slavery and we buck at the mere notion of such things as not being able to make our own choices. We do alot of things primally in order to attract the opposite sex whether we want to admit it or not and as we know some black women in particular have a hard ass time with admitting these types of things so I'll go first.

I ain't even trying to get with anyone who is going to dilute or pollute my bloodline. Bro better be bringing the intelligence, the body type the genetic code that will make what we have together keep us here on this planet. So you damn skippy I will ask about all kinds of stuff in your family, lol Cause I ain't having it. We got a certain look, a certain intelligence level, a certain genetic code (we already fucked up cause of the diabetes in my family) and I want to attract the kind of man that will take us to the next level.

[HulaSista]

yep... pam... that's pretty much it.

it's not bullshit. it's human nature. it's socio-biological. it's scientific.

many time we go AGAINST it.

but how many times have you heard the brothers say that inspite of their whoring ways... they want the FINEST woman to marry and make babies for them? or the sister that say they want the brother with the smarts or the gutso to make the dollar?

bingo. survival of the fittest comes to mind as well.

i can tell my son all day long that he can find beauty in all women but i'll be sure to teach him the specific type of sista he should and should not go for in the head; between his friends and any authoritative male influence he'll learn what is the accepted standard of beauty. it's just the way that it is.

[Pamalicious]

What I know is that white people do it all the time. They understand that principal. How many times do they only marry INTO such and such families and they pay particular attention to eye color and intelligence etc. etc. Hmm maybe we should carry this to another thread.

I didn't mean to sound so 'harsh' or anything - but it's the lack of those type of things being instilled in some of us that will make us lay down with anyone and not think of the consequences. They are far reaching. White people get genetic testing! We just be worrying about (1) if he gon stay or (2) if he gon PAY, how about no matter how fine he is, is this child going to be on the short bus!



yep... pam... that's pretty much it.

it's not bullshit. it's human nature. it's socio-biological. it's scientific.

many time we go AGAINST it.

but how many times have you heard the brothers say that inspite of their whoring ways... they want the FINEST woman to marry and make babies for them? or the sister that say they want the brother with the smarts or the gutso to make the dollar?

bingo. survival of the fittest comes to mind as well.

[lovely]

once you apply a relaxer onto the hair it becomes dead

isnt hair already dead. or is hair alive?

[ice-c]

do black folk actually believe in science....especially socio-science?

[sistuhchey]

......hhmmm....(NCA) Non-color-americans...have been marrying well for years..I don't disagree...however, several of their offspring....don't add up... to a hill of beans...just thinking about George W...The Kennedys, Randolph Hearst,..hhhmm Prince Charles.......but anywhoooo....your right we should think of our offspring....

sooooo,,,, "IF" you had the option...to pick your childs mate..what traits,qualities,attributes.......would you choose....


Pam your response was this.....interesting...no doubt
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I ain't even trying to get with anyone who is going to dilute or pollute my bloodline. Bro better be bringing the intelligence, the body type the genetic code that will make what we have together keep us here on this planet. So you damn skippy I will ask about all kinds of stuff in your family, lol Cause I ain't having it. We got a certain look, a certain intelligence level, a certain genetic code (we already fucked up cause of the diabetes in my family) and I want to attract the kind of man that will take us to the next level.
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interesting...

[HulaSista]

isnt hair already dead. or is hair alive?


i was thinking the same thing.

[HulaSista]

......hhmmm....(NCA) Non-color-americans...have been marrying well for years..I don't disagree...however, several of their offspring....don't add up... to a hill of beans...just thinking about George W...The Kennedys, Randolph Hearst,..hhhmm Prince Charles.......but anywhoooo....your right we should think of our offspring....

sooooo,,,, "IF" you had the option...to pick your childs mate..what traits,qualities,attributes.......would you choose....


Pam your response was this.....interesting...no doubt
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I ain't even trying to get with anyone who is going to dilute or pollute my bloodline. Bro better be bringing the intelligence, the body type the genetic code that will make what we have together keep us here on this planet. So you damn skippy I will ask about all kinds of stuff in your family, lol Cause I ain't having it. We got a certain look, a certain intelligence level, a certain genetic code (we already fucked up cause of the diabetes in my family) and I want to attract the kind of man that will take us to the next level.
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interesting...

do you want me to start that thread or will you or have it already? let me go look...

but yeah chey, i know what you're saying about the wealthy, HOWEVER, we're all screwed in some way, right?

that's how i see it.

you're just trying to pick carefully and make sure that get the one with the LEAST LIKELY CHANCE of or LEAST AMOUNT OF genetic drama (lol) that may blend with yours and cause a spontaneous combustion which is a bunch of bad ass kids.

lmao

i'm willing to further guess that it's 50% subconcious that we make these decisions with this detail of information. much of it is accumulative based on upbringing and experience.

que... that question is a great thread in and of it self! i for one enjoy the break down and scientific explaination of many things, sans evolution ;) lol

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[Tettsuo]

isnt hair already dead. or is hair alive?
Hair is as alive as skin or your nails can be considered alive. If hair can be considered healthy and grow, it can be considered alive in a sense.